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39 Unlimited 04-29-2013 05:57 PM

So happy the crew of this boat walked away!

Seems like there are a lot of very qualified / experienced performance drivers (and one Go Pro expert) on this thread. Maybe I'm missing something here but haven't seen one post on why this happened. The cause seems crystal clear. Heavy acceleration crossing a wake.....this caused port prop to break loose, chine walk, crash, end of story.

Again, maybe I'm missing something. I have owned performance boats for 35 years, the best investment I ever made was learning how to drive by a professional. Until this becomes a requirement we'll continue to watch videos like this and see insurance rates climb.

Sydwayz 04-29-2013 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by timewarp (Post 3915482)

Now we can have a "lane" conversation. :poopoo:

It seems like we have this same thread/topic many times every year:

speeds
race or poker run
liability
responsibility
insurance
negative impact on sport

Someone pick the needle off the record, it's stuck; and no one seems to care.

Level III Chaos 04-29-2013 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3915497)
Now we can have a "lane" conversation. :poopoo:

It seems like we have this same thread/topic many times every year:

speeds
race or poker run
liability
responsibility
insurance
negative impact on sport

Someone pick the needle off the record, it's stuck; and no one seems to care.



I'm not sure about all that.......but I was wondering who was the winner at the first card stop? LOL :D

chris@uga 04-29-2013 06:12 PM

Apparently this isn't the first time this driver was noted for questionable driving.

Sydwayz 04-29-2013 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Level III Chaos (Post 3915498)
I'm not sure about all that.......but I was wondering who was the winner at the first card stop? LOL :D

I couldn't tell you. I was too busy trying to get my lanyard attached to my beer koozie. :whistle:

jmoore1225 04-29-2013 06:26 PM

Everyone is pitching a fit about how unsafe the speeds are, you couldn't ask for better conditions or for a more open lake? That's why we buy these boats! Stupid mistake by the driver to cross behind too close is all I see wrong....

Kelly O 04-29-2013 06:38 PM

Hold your line. If you can't, slow down.

This guy is very lucky. Did he used to run a Fountain on LOTO ?

H20 Toie 04-29-2013 06:42 PM

What about the guy coming upriver, on the correct side of the lake like he should be and seeing those boats coming at him?

good thing he was paying attention and headed toward the shore

502ss 04-29-2013 06:45 PM

That sucks!!

I have a question....How do we have 3:00 of video leading up to the accident and 2 seconds during the accident? Did the person recording actually stop recording?

hp500efi 04-29-2013 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Wahoo ATV (Post 3915218)
I personally can't see how you can operate a boat at 160mph on a confined body of water without a resrticted course and be in control of your vessel. It is impossible to avoid a pleasure boater, fisherman, or inner tuber and still safely correct your course without risking yourself and your passengers. Its like rearending someone in a car, you are always at fault for not having your vehicle under control.

Injury or not I'm sure the lawyers will be out.

Best post on this thread!!

rlj676 04-29-2013 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by 502ss (Post 3915531)
That sucks!!

I have a question....How do we have 3:00 of video leading up to the accident and 2 seconds during the accident? Did the person recording actually stop recording?

DCB promo video?

I think they meant to edit it 5 seconds short of that haha.

mcprodesign 04-29-2013 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by timewarp (Post 3915482)

I'm sorry . But from that angle All I can sa is what a #ucking moron! Unless he had the throttle stick and the steering cable break at the same time. He cut the guy off at the rear of him too. He had tons of room to keep his line going down the center of the "river" .

39 Unlimited 04-29-2013 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by jmoore1225 (Post 3915514)
Everyone is pitching a fit about how unsafe the speeds are, you couldn't ask for better conditions or for a more open lake? That's why we buy these boats! Stupid mistake by the driver to cross behind too close is all I see wrong....

BINGO!!!! Thank you jmoore

The only reason this thread exists is because of stupid driving.

keegan 04-29-2013 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by 502ss (Post 3915531)
That sucks!!

I have a question....How do we have 3:00 of video leading up to the accident and 2 seconds during the accident? Did the person recording actually stop recording?

X2...

It will eventually be posted. I have gathered that many feed off the " I really know what happened" or " I have full 1080i video of the whole thing" " I have in cockpit gopro footage" " I have millions of screen shot images.... But you can't see... Neener neener neener..

On a more serious note. Glad the peeps are all ok.

Brad Zastrow 04-29-2013 07:20 PM

Cats by design compress air in the tunnel. Water does not compress. When he crossed the other boats rooster tail, up and over the boat went. Happens in Champ boat racing (o/b tunnels).

Cash Bar 04-29-2013 07:22 PM

How about maybe the fact that the choppers and other boats were on scene in a short amount of time would point to a POSITIVE preparation plan by the event organizer? I have no idea, but that seems logical. 1 boat accident, no real injuries. quick response. I'd say they did at least something correctly.

Operator error, and he freely admitted as much in the report.

hp500efi 04-29-2013 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by 39 Unlimited (Post 3915559)
BINGO!!!! Thank you jmoore

The only reason this thread exists is because of stupid driving.

your 100% correct....and not just the driver that crashed...there were about a half dozen driving stupidly!!...only one crashed...videos don't lie....

Patience...myass 04-29-2013 07:33 PM

The guy clearly doesn't need to be driving anything more than a pontoon with a 40 on the back. After watching the second video that could have been way worse. He clearly didn't know how to operate the boat at that speed or he is just a reckless driver.

ROB FREEMAN 04-29-2013 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by Patience...myass (Post 3915571)
The guy clearly doesn't need to be driving anything more than a pontoon with a 40 on the back. After watching the second video that could have been way worse. He clearly didn't know how to operate the boat at that speed or he is just a reckless driver.

im guessing hes thinking the same thing right about now .I barefoot at 50 and hit the water like concreate . that chit had to hurt. I just cant believe they walked away .

Scooter 04-29-2013 08:15 PM

Glad all are safe, but will agree with 99.9% of all the posts. The line that guy choose to run at that giving moment was DOWN RIGHT WRONG! As for the amount of people there to help after the crash A++ job. Until you see that happen in front or behind you, or are in that situation you cannot say exactly how you would handle it.

Not Bashing anyone just saying, easy to say how you would or would have handled it after seeing it unfold.

skater40 04-29-2013 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Patience...myass (Post 3915571)
The guy clearly doesn't need to be driving anything more than a pontoon with a 40 on the back. After watching the second video that could have been way worse. He clearly didn't know how to operate the boat at that speed or he is just a reckless driver.

Bingo-we have a winner.Over on riverdaves some one posted that this guy was banned from ever participating in a poker run at lake cumberland due to reckless driving last year.Obviously had DS organizers knew this-he would have been banned there too as they have a cooperating agreement where as banned at one -banned at all.

Donzi ZX 04-29-2013 08:25 PM

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...3&d=1367018319 Since this is how the boat was trimmed out when it was pulled from the water, it might explain why he wasn't turning...

Scooter 04-29-2013 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by Donzi ZX (Post 3915615)
http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...3&d=1367018319 Since this is how the boat was trimmed out when it was pulled from the water, it might explain why he wasn't turning...

If it's true and those drives where at that level of trim. That boat would be so loose and hard to correct direction at that speed for sure.

Crossett 04-29-2013 08:46 PM

It did flip upside down. I bet the drives moved at least a little from where they were.

Cobra100+ 04-29-2013 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Scooter (Post 3915631)
If it's true and those drives where at that level of trim. That boat would be so loose and hard to correct direction at that speed for sure.

Ive seen several of the pics/vids of the DCBs and they seem to like to carry the bow pretty high, just a observation, I could be mistaken.

Cole2534 04-29-2013 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by Crossett (Post 3915642)
It did flip upside down. I bet the drives moved at least a little from where they were.

Hydraulics have a real good way of keeping themselves in place.

I'd wager it had more to do with the "oh-my-holf-fuc&ing-$hit-we're-gonna-die" hand maneuvers.

jmoore1225 04-29-2013 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by hp500efi (Post 3915567)
your 100% correct....and not just the driver that crashed...there were about a half dozen driving stupidly!!...only one crashed...videos don't lie....

How were the others running stupidly? Just because they were driving faster than say you would? A Lil close ya maybe, other then that what was the problem? Wide open lake/river & good conditions.

Who buys a boat w/ 2700+hp to go 50mph? Who enters a poker run for a leisure cruise? Yes it's obviously not a race, but having a Lil comroderie & bragging rights is a facet of every day life in almost everything. This country has became so uptight about every little thing any more it's sickening......

FuelinAround 04-29-2013 09:23 PM

Glad the guys are ok....it's nice to learn a lesson without losing a life. If the driver is a hazard hope he gets banned for good....his maneuver looks very questionable but their could have been mechanical issues. God Speed

Mastercraft240 04-29-2013 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by mcprodesign (Post 3915555)
I'm sorry . But from that angle All I can sa is what a #ucking moron! Unless he had the throttle stick and the steering cable break at the same time. He cut the guy off at the rear of him too. He had tons of room to keep his line going down the center of the "river" .

WOW THAT WAS INCREDIBLY STUPID. Holy ****, who the **** goes a 160 20 behind another boat.

mpally 04-29-2013 10:19 PM

Pause the clip at 2:56. Who is pinching who there? It appears from the video, which I understand only gives us a limited view, that the boat on the far right is pinch the three boats on the left. There appears to be open water to the right side of the lake at that time while there is a boat going the opposite direction on the left along with the spectator fleet. The boat on the right seems to be pinching the three boats on the left side. Thoughts?

mcprodesign 04-29-2013 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by mpally (Post 3915714)
Pause the clip at 2:56. Who is pinching who there? It appears from the video, which I understand only gives us a limited view, that the boat on the far right is pinch the three boats on the left. There appears to be open water to the right side of the lake at that time while there is a boat going the opposite direction on the left along with the spectator fleet. The boat on the right seems to be pinching the three boats on the left side. Thoughts?

I saw that too. and it looks like that if you watch the last 5 seconds .. But From how it looks to me if you watch the last 20 seconds.. It looks like the driver of the boat on the far left was spooked and figured he needed to avoid on-coming traffic so he pitched out of a line that the whole rest of the fleet was starting to turn.( left w the river)

stainless 04-29-2013 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by mpally (Post 3915714)
Pause the clip at 2:56. Who is pinching who there? It appears from the video, which I understand only gives us a limited view, that the boat on the far right is pinch the three boats on the left. There appears to be open water to the right side of the lake at that time while there is a boat going the opposite direction on the left along with the spectator fleet. The boat on the right seems to be pinching the three boats on the left side. Thoughts?

No , it's called keep your lane, not cross in front of a bunch of other boats to be first. The guy that flipped clearly was in the wrong.

shootitup 04-29-2013 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by Donzi ZX (Post 3915615)
http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forum...3&d=1367018319 Since this is how the boat was trimmed out when it was pulled from the water, it might explain why he wasn't turning...

Seriously ?

You cannot drive at a second in those speeds in that trim angle.
You will flip over long before to reach those angles.
How drives are in that position dont know but for sure they arent that out when boat flip.

TeamSaris 04-29-2013 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by shootitup (Post 3915728)
Seriously ?

You cannot drive at a second in those speeds in that trim angle.
You will flip over long before to reach those angles.
How drives are in that position dont know but for sure they arent that out when boat flip.

Id be surprised if it could even get on plane trimmed like that....imagine the u-joint scream at 150? lol

glassdave 04-29-2013 10:54 PM

spinning in huh . . . . .

QWKRN U 04-29-2013 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 3915733)
spinning in huh . . . . .

Most cats do

glassdave 04-29-2013 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by QWKRN U (Post 3915735)
Most cats do

I am aware. it also carries in inherent risk and affects ability to recover (in cats)

TeamSaris 04-29-2013 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by QWKRN U (Post 3915735)
Most cats do

You should probably read his signature before giving a National Champion Cat Throttleman tude about cats....:whistle:

glassdave 04-29-2013 11:26 PM

hehe . . . I didn't take it as tude just good discussion. I do like to bring awareness to prop rotation though. I have quietly tracked it on accidents in cats for about twelve years now. nearly every cat involved in a violent loss of control was spinning in. only one I can think of that was not spinning in was tomcat in cambridge a few years ago but seeing the boat on the crane it appeared to have skeg strike damage. I've personaly raced both and after going over spinning a superstock cat in I choose to not do that anymore lol. :D

FIXX 04-29-2013 11:27 PM

fixx
 

Originally Posted by Cole2534 (Post 3915651)
Hydraulics have a real good way of keeping themselves in place.

I'd wager it had more to do with the "oh-my-holf-fuc&ing-$hit-we're-gonna-die" hand maneuvers.

+1,,driver/throttle man holy $hit error!..


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