fixx
 

yep poat 202,,,if i were the guy in the 35 dcb i would be after the guy in the 41 dcb...PAY UP SUCKER..

Is he actually saying "we are first" or "we are the only boat because we kept going" ?!?!?!

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I disagree.
The 41 was staying about the same distance from the shore. It looks like he's going left because he has to because of the left hand turn of the lake. The 35 just is to far to the left to start and decided to swap sides of the 41. He's the one to blame. He should of never cut that close behind the 41.

Posted earlier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYvL6uEMl6E[/QUOTE]

as another armchair QB throwing into the mix - I have to agree with Brace Yourself's post #243....

Not that it really matters what any one person thinks. Really, if the 35 crossed or the 41 squeezed the corner - either way the result doesn't do anything good for the sport!.....No news travels like BAD news and that was pretty bad

I guess we'll agree to disagree lol The 41 could have easily wen't straight for a few hundred more yards, then turned left. I do agree with not crossing the wake that close. Bottom line, the incident sucked.

Who Did What?
 

One Chopper View:

Seems like all the boats are initially NOT right of center on the lake. The M35 (boat that flips) seems to actually pressure the blue cat to move further to port before the turn. Then.........what.......

Chopper two view:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

But.......NUMBER ONE (winner)?

Maybe he subscribes to this philosophy?

http://youtu.be/fDaONrHK1f8

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Page #248, from pic #5-10 clearly shows everyone keep in line with the M41 cutting left too early, squeezing everyone else! He had ample room to proceed another few hundred feet.

After watching the vid again...another thought...there were several boats on his side, did he try to piuposely cut across to get some running room??

Perfect example. Look at the oncoming boat wake vs the trajectory of the 41 and it stays aimed at the outer wake curve throughout the pics.

Maybe he's just raising his hand volunteering to fix skater40's boat

Compare the 41 DCB's proximity to Skater40 in all the different pictures. If the 41 didn't cut the corner, then Skater40 moved well to the right. Both boats were running next to each other early in the run and then the gap between them widens siginificantly as the accident occurs. Either the 41 moved to the left or Skater40 moved to the right.

Bingo! Exactly!
If you look at the footage aprox 5 sec from the end
The blue 388 skater was far left of the entire pack .( JT throttling I believe)
When the river turned left and things got a little tight, he backed off, stayed in his lane, (held his line) and was able to turn left and pass the oncoming traffic with plenty of room to spare. If the Dcb that flipped did the same , there would have been no incident. Either he was over trimmed and couldn't turn or just decided to go for it and cross the wake for better position to be the first to the first card stop.

So if the M41 DCB did NOT change his "line" in front of other boats and the M35 DCB should have choose to make a tighter left hand turn to AVOID crossing the Rooster tail of the M41 DCB, then what would have happened to the boat to the port, left, of the M35??? It would have ran up the M35's Rooster Tail resulting in the same accident, different boat!

Its pretty obvious, the Silver M41 DCB was the first to accelerate which started a chain reaction of bad events. No one can argue that the Silver M41 DCB "jumped the gun" and took off BEFORE they were told to. That in itself is enough but to top it off they also turned left in front of the pack, with half the EMPTY lake in front of them they could have used. But hey, I guess first to the card stop means more then others lives.....

At those speeds there is not much time to react, there is NO other option the M35 had that would have been 100% perfect. EVERY option "line" they were delt with (by the M41) put them in a dangerous situation. By the time they M35 saw the M41 "take off", made a decision to join and "take off", probably checked over their right shoulder, left shoulder, looked back ahead, CHIT, no time to react!

If you watch the video , notice that the yellow race boat , crc, backed off and played it cool . if you look at the video close to the end, there was plenty of room for all boats to stay in line, make the turn and then hammer it when the river opened up . The issue is you've got to realize the throttle goes both ways, and in this instance, the thing to do when it got tight was tuck it in , slow it down tighten up the turn , and then hammer it once there was more space.

Not sure what video people are looking at that say the 41 didn't cut anybody off, but I'm looking at the one posted by Braceyourself, post 244 I think. That cut off is so obvious that Ray Charles and Helen Keller could see it... He's the only boat that took off like bat out of hell, then shot left right in front of the entire pack...

fixx
 

yeah..i got stevie wonder checking it out rite now and he said that the 41 dcb was turning left,,he also said notice all the spray coming off the starboard side from turning and the water show's it as well and nothing on the port side..

Should of, could of, would of... Bottom line is... Ask anyone out there running, and they will tell you that the guy in the 35 was flying the nose at an extreme level. Keep in mind this same thing happens in races an they don't flip cause of this. It's not Tonys job (driver of the 41) to make sure the 35 driver knows how to be safe and drive a boat, or better yet give him the talent to do it! There were a few boats that flat out should not have ever been in that first group. Just like I don't deserve to be on a NASCAR track racing just cause I can afford the car! Yes it's that simple folks!

There is also a left hand turn coming up there, I guess Tony is suppose to drive both boats right? 41 did jump the start, but why does 35 just keep going straight... Just a diff in opinions I guess

So is this the same M41 that had to "win" the Florida run too?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8381/8...eaa657f4_o.jpg

BINGO!:eekdrop: it seems that he thinks its a race which is always easy to be the first when others think its a poker run. imagine what would have happened at ds if he had just held his line instead of crossing so close in front of the boat next to him

And were still beating this horse.:lolhit:

John jr

Get a clue

Very fast pleasure boats pushing racing lines and dealing with real racing situations. Getting closed out, traffic, multiple wakes, wash downs, turns and high speed dog legs with NO room for error.

Perspective comes quick.

...you really want to race..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7i1uOtLZHE

20 min of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x7T7z8mGBo



Were all waiting.

about what. you cannot deny tony changed course, jumped the start line or drives like it is a race. besides being against the spirit and instructions it proved to be unsafe. is tony going to be at ds 2014? in the poker run in a boat? got the clue yet?

exactly. want to be at the front and prove your the best. people are waiting to let you prove your hearts desire and in a safer manner than at a poker run on a narrow lake criss crossing the channel.

Best post of the whole thread!

fixx
 

Hey it could have been worse,,that 35 dcb could have ran up the a$$ of that 41 dcb instead of crossing the wake,,thats why he crossed and did not make the turn because ''tony'' was already their so instead of sinking 2 boats the 35 dcb took it on the chin..

Steveie Wonder said so!

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Well your untitled to your own opinion, but there was a turn comin up, he was pretty far ahead, and the leader normally can make what ever turn he wants, did Tony straight cut the guy off?- NO, but u guys all have fun dissecting it... It's always the other guys fault and not the one operating the boat.

Or maybe pulled back on the sticks an trimmed the boat for sloppy water and not for a shoot out... But wait- ya that's Tonys fault too!!!:lolhit:

I'm done with all the key board QBs thousands of miles away!

it must be tough being the attorney for a guilty guy but i guess he's paying you well for the defense

has the on board from the boat in front of the 35 been released and if so where can it be found?

Thanks

Best post EVER!

The Lake Havasu Desert Storm is a great event. It brings boaters in from all over the country to see these beautiful boats and watch them run. It brings a lot of good, decent people into the town, fills up the hotels and provides a venue for people that just love this stuff. It is a lot of fun to see the boats and hear the stories.

While I keep hearing how unsafe this is, I couldn't disagree more. The poker runs are about as safe a venue as it gets to run these extreme boats (outside of a sanctioned race). It is a closed course for 20 miles in one direction. While there is a possiblity that boats could stray onto the course, it is far better than constantly getting cut off by a jet ski or boat when running fast on an average day on an open lake or river.

That being said, we really need to support these events before the lawyers and the safety police kill all of the cool events in our country.

To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin - Those Who Sacrifice Freedom For Safety Deserve Neither

Sadly there is the possibility someone will kill a spectator during a poker run and that will end it all for everyone. When that happens it will not be the lawyers or safety polices fault.
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You really think its going to be released?? :angry-smiley-038: