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That run was one of my favorites, I still hear people talk about it to this day and heard several people (no names mentioned) say they don't know how we run in water like that, LOL.
Although we could not catch Mike Fiore going downtown in the 46 OL with 1075's, we held our own in the 38 with 525's and had an absolute blast that day. great pics, I have only seen one of those three. Email them to me if you would not mind - [email protected] Thank you for posting those pics, nice AT BTW……. Scott Sjogren www.pier57.com |
That run was one of my favorites, I still hear people talk about it to this day and heard several people (no names mentioned) say they don't know how we run in water like that, LOL.
Although we could not catch Mike Fiore going downtown in the 46 OL with 1075's, we held our own in the 38 with 525's and had an absolute blast that day. great pics, I have only seen one of those three. Email them to me if you would not mind - [email protected] Thank you for posting those pics, nice AT BTW……. Scott Sjogren www.pier57.com |
Originally Posted by sommerfliesby
(Post 4057213)
You guys all have the words from THE GUY DRIVING THE BOAT. I think he has some experience with trim, as well...these pics are from the Chicago Poker Run in 2006. Scott and Wyatt in a 38 Fountain in typical tossed Lake Michigan 4-6 footers. Trust me...if the waves were 8', there would not have been many boats out that day, as there's really not much fun in driving when the boat is acting like the 46 in the video. I have tried it in 5-7s(oh yeah I remember that marine forecast!) in my 35 Fountain....couldn't go over 25 mph (wife had called me a wimp and really wanted to get to the city for the Chicago Scene Boat Party...when we got there, she said maybe it wasn't the best idea...)
My vid coming back from Key West in 2012 in the AT got criticized all the hell on here saying the waves weren't 6 footers...but we could only run about 30 mph, and I couldn't see out of the troughs...the waves were well over Pat's head, and he's 6' tall. I'm just happy he was driving... |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4057304)
Mike, do you remember some of the broken hardware at those Chicago Poker runs?
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I think Cabin Fever is starting to set in !! Glad I am in Florida !!!!!!!!!!!!
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With all do respect to some of the posts; I been boating on the Mich for decades. And yessss, it does get pretty nasty, worse then any ocean waters I been on, but no way the vid day had 10-15's. It's just a ted funny that apparently most boaters have no clue of what actual wave size means or how to judge it accurately or at lease "reasonably" accurately. For some.... rough 3-4's feels or they thing it 8-10's. Google wave dynamics and learn the terminology, prior to making some comments that has no real value, or accuracy regarding "wave" descriptions. All that being said.. the Mich can dish up the worse waters just about anywhere.
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This graph explains how to measure a wave. A 15' wave would swallow a pleasure boat pretty good and boats as big as a ferry usually ordered to stay docked.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=water...29%3B388%3B168 |
Just a FYI what the NOAA link posted by 302 states for their wave height
"14. When the marine forecast says "seas 3-5 ft", what exactly does that mean? Waves are measured from trough to crest. Seas are the combination of both locally generated wind waves and distantly generated swell waves. Specifically, seas may be derived using the following formula where S is the height of the swell waves and W is the height of the wind waves. " I always thought waves were measured half the distance from the trough to the crest, however NOAA states differently. |
Waves are measured from trough to crest ->
This is the ofcourse thing. otherwise boat nose will not drop to wave bottom :lolhit: |
I remember a trip when I was 14 from lake st clair to Georgian Bay in my dads 272 formula. When we headed across Lake Huron we got caught in a storm about midpoint. We were running with a 41 stinger, 40 Excalibur, and a 32 baja. When in the trough everything disappeared, land, boats, everything. I had on my life vest and crapping myself! I would have said they were 15' waves but come to find out they were 6'-8' with occasional bigger. Huge rollers. We were small enough to fit between the waves, while the 40's were stuffing just about every wave! Both lost windshields!
10'-15' isn't something you're going boating in. |
I`ve had a ton of Go Pro footage thats gotten deleted because a very nasty day just looks like 1-2`s.
You can`t gauge wave height in a video, look at what the boat is doing is the only indicator. |
You guys are all arguing about wave heights and stuff and all the Apache's are like waalaaap waaaalaaaap walaaap walaaaap !!!! he he he :evilb:
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Originally Posted by the deep
(Post 4057406)
You guys are all arguing about wave heights and stuff and all the Apache's are like waalaaap waaaalaaaap walaaap walaaaap !!!! he he he :evilb:
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There would of been a wardrobe malfunction after that. I would have gone straight to my hauler for some new undies. :poopoo:
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Originally Posted by spectras only
(Post 4057410)
OK ,lets watch some Apache action, especially from 2:07 ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dk5ihhAw64
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If Ben Kramer could have flown a chopper like he flew that boat, who knows how the history books would read.
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Originally Posted by Speedracer29
(Post 4057441)
If Ben Kramer could have flown a chopper like he flew that boat, who knows how the history books would read.
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Originally Posted by spectras only
(Post 4057410)
OK ,lets watch some Apache action, especially from 2:07 ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dk5ihhAw64
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eye says only 3-4 foot :grinser010:
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Wait a minute.. there were waves in the video? :lolhit: definitly a winter thread.
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Originally Posted by 12meter joe
(Post 4057394)
I remember a trip when I was 14 from lake st clair to Georgian Bay in my dads 272 formula. When we headed across Lake Huron we got caught in a storm about midpoint. We were running with a 41 stinger, 40 Excalibur, and a 32 baja. When in the trough everything disappeared, land, boats, everything. I had on my life vest and crapping myself! I would have said they were 15' waves but come to find out they were 6'-8' with occasional bigger. Huge rollers. We were small enough to fit between the waves, while the 40's were stuffing just about every wave! Both lost windshields!
10'-15' isn't something you're going boating in. |
Originally Posted by Sunrocket24
(Post 4057549)
(yes our offshore powerboats are pleasure craft)
My buddy had one with corvette motors in it and it was ALLLLLL Business |
Originally Posted by the deep
(Post 4057406)
you guys are all arguing about wave heights and stuff and all the apache's are like waalaaap waaaalaaaap walaaap walaaaap !!!! He he he :evilb:
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Originally Posted by the deep
(Post 4057406)
You guys are all arguing about wave heights and stuff and all the Apache's are like waalaaap waaaalaaaap walaaap walaaaap !!!! he he he :evilb:
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Aw man.... I miss my buddy LJ..... Clifford was one of the best rough water boats I been on boy did we have some fun with that boat!!!!!!
Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4057124)
Here is a great Michigan lake video. What size do you think the lake was rolling then? I bet boatme will chime in with what the forecast was that day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og3-FIMjB7k |
Lately every thread is somebody posts something and 20 guys jump on him and tell him he is full of sh*T.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to tell wave height from a video. I agree if you look at the waves it doesn't look all that rough, but look at high the nose of that boat is launching. That boat is 46' long, you think a 4' wave will do that? Have you ever actually been in a 46 Cig? I don't know if the waves were 8' of not, but it sure looks rough. If the guy who was there says they were 8', who am I to say that they weren't? And I never met Scott Shogren,but I have to believe he has driven a boat once or twice and knows how the trim button works. |
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Is this where we turn this into a fountain vs cig vs apache vs donzi vs bayliner? Or wait another page or two?
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Originally Posted by RT930turbo
(Post 4057151)
Question:
So what is the best rough water boat anyway>? I'm thinking about buying the 55 MTI when I finish painting my 40 skater. Will I be able to launch the MTI off 50' waves? I heard cats can handle 90% of their length in wave height as long as you are "packing - the -air" or something like that :confused: EDIT:in case it's not obvious, the sarcasm switch is ON |
Originally Posted by 12meter joe
(Post 4057582)
Is this where we turn this into a fountain vs cig vs apache vs donzi vs bayliner? Or wait another page or two?
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Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4057571)
Is that the sound of the spanking they take from all the new stepped bottom boats?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQ3cl9UR2w |
Originally Posted by sommerfliesby
(Post 4057213)
My vid coming back from Key West in 2012 in the AT got criticized all the hell on here saying the waves weren't 6 footers...but we could only run about 30 mph, and I couldn't see out of the troughs...the waves were well over Pat's head, and he's 6' tall. I'm just happy he was driving...
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Originally Posted by 302Sport
(Post 4057571)
Is that the sound of the spanking they take from all the new stepped bottom boats?
Originally Posted by richanton
(Post 4057580)
Lately every thread is somebody posts something and 20 guys jump on him and tell him he is full of sh*T.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to tell wave height from a video. I agree if you look at the waves it doesn't look all that rough, but look at high the nose of that boat is launching. That boat is 46' long, you think a 4' wave will do that? Have you ever actually been in a 46 Cig? I don't know if the waves were 8' of not, but it sure looks rough. If the guy who was there says they were 8', who am I to say that they weren't? And I never met Scott Shogren,but I have to believe he has driven a boat once or twice and knows how the trim button works. What!?!? Scott knows how to drive a boat? Thats just crazy talk buddy , I think he only sells Bass boats and pontoons in that big showroom:lolhit: |
Originally Posted by 12meter joe
(Post 4057582)
Is this where we turn this into a fountain vs cig vs apache vs donzi vs bayliner? Or wait another page or two?
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Originally Posted by wrinkleface
(Post 4057616)
Hey, U 4got NT!!!:angry-smiley-038:
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Originally Posted by wrinkleface
(Post 4057616)
Hey, U 4got NT!!!:angry-smiley-038:
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Originally Posted by richanton
(Post 4057580)
Lately every thread is somebody posts something and 20 guys jump on him and tell him he is full of sh*T.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to tell wave height from a video. I agree if you look at the waves it doesn't look all that rough, but look at high the nose of that boat is launching. That boat is 46' long, you think a 4' wave will do that? Have you ever actually been in a 46 Cig? I don't know if the waves were 8' of not, but it sure looks rough. If the guy who was there says they were 8', who am I to say that they weren't? And I never met Scott Shogren,but I have to believe he has driven a boat once or twice and knows how the trim button works. |
Originally Posted by 12meter joe
(Post 4057582)
Is this where we turn this into a fountain vs cig vs apache vs donzi vs bayliner? Or wait another page or two?
And I'm going with Bayliner. The spongy hull sides give it the plushest ride! LMAO |
Not the biggest waves for a 47 Apache, but nicely done none the less.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niwjMgDl02k |
Originally Posted by TeamSaris
(Post 4057153)
I wont comment on the video or what it looks like but I will say this....
Every time we have a rough water race, Im excited to see the video...and it NEVER looks as rough as it really was. Its really annoying actually. Even if it isnt 15s...I bet its rougher than hell in that boat :D |
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