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FlyenBrian 01-15-2014 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Sin_or_Swim (Post 4057299)
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the height of a wave measured on the back side. So if you are out in 8-10's you would be facing a 16-20' wall of water. I live on Lake Ontario and when NOAA calls for 3-4' we think long and hard if it is worth going out to beat the crap out of our selves and boat.

I know I always measure my penis from the back side. From my shoulder blades to the tip it's a BIGGUN! Defiantly 15 footers all you haters.

MILD THUNDER 01-15-2014 09:15 PM

Where are all the videos of the guys who run 80+ in 6-8's? Heres a 36 Apache going out in some big water on lake Michigan. I don't hear the rev limiters...maybe that's cause they are doing 29mph at 2700RPM lol. Ive been out in that $hit before, and you can keep it. I'd rather take some mild chop, run fast, not snap my hull, and sip some Grey Goose at the beach. This is water, that I don't care what your in, Cigarette, apache, Fountain, 80ft yacht, it sucks, and if you don't take it easy like this guy was, your gonna tear your $hit up or hurt someone trying to be a hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttN2stWdoeg

Drock78 01-15-2014 09:25 PM

And he has put over 1000 hours on that 36 so I'm sure he knows how to run it.

On Time 01-15-2014 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by RT930turbo (Post 4057588)
No reason to debate. We all know a Chaparral2300 is the best boat ever.

Wrong. My 2007 Sea Ray 23 Select Fission. It has a wakeboard tower, GPS speed control, and a Bravo III.

MILD THUNDER 01-15-2014 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Drock78 (Post 4057715)
And he has put over 1000 hours on that 36 so I'm sure he knows how to run it.

For sure. But Im sure we will hear how he shoulda had more tab, less trim, a ballast tank, bigger balls, etc etc. Or, that was 18ft seas, because if it were 8fters, he coulda been running 90+ in that since its an apache.. Its oso!

RT930turbo 01-15-2014 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by On Time (Post 4057716)
Wrong. My 2007 Sea Ray 23 Select Fission. It has a wakeboard tower, GPS speed control, and a Bravo III.

DAYUM, bro, you got a bravo III??? That's the one with dual blades right? Is yours set up with twins (one on each prop)? Or just a single. My buddy (with the fountain corvette edition) had a cousin with a bravo III on his stingray. Ran 2 motors inline for better balance.

MILD THUNDER 01-15-2014 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by RT930turbo (Post 4057721)
DAYUM, bro, you got a bravo III??? That's the one with dual blades right? Is yours set up with twins (one on each prop)? Or just a single. My buddy (with the fountain corvette edition) had a cousin with a bravo III on his stingray. Ran 2 motors inline for better balance.

The Bravo 3 is the way to go from what I am told! I heard its best when you run a 3 blade mirage plus in front, and a 6 blade herring in back. This way you get the planing from a 6 blade, but top end from a 3 blade when you trim it to the trailer position. (gets the 6 blade out of the water) Its all good on the u joints, because you just run amsoil bearing grease in them.

Tom A. 01-15-2014 09:41 PM

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This is a 15' wave. That is a 40' Skater and this series of waves can be confirmed by Matt Trulio and half of the NJPPC poker run that day!

RT930turbo 01-15-2014 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4057722)
The Bravo 3 is the way to go from what I am told! I heard its best when you run a 3 blade mirage plus in front, and a 6 blade herring in back. This way you get the planing from a 6 blade, but top end from a 3 blade when you trim it to the trailer position. (gets the 6 blade out of the water) Its all good on the u joints, because you just run amsoil bearing grease in them.

Agree 99% but prefer the Super-Tech Bearing grease

RT930turbo 01-15-2014 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 4057723)
This is a 15' wave. That is a 40' Skater and this series of waves can be confirmed by Matt Trulio and half of the NJPPC poker run that day!

I remember those pics.... WOW. Wasn't there a thread with a bunch?

.... And since the camera erases waves, thats incredible

abones 01-15-2014 09:45 PM

I'm with you on this Mild! I got caught out in the Manitou Passage years ago in my 28 Checkmate, wind kicked up and when we were down in the troughs we could not see the horizon, took water over the bow every wave( thank God for the windshield) wife and kids were screaming at me as I headed toward the safe harbor at Leland MI. in the following sea. All I will say is until someone experiences the Fury of the Great Lakes they can't and won't understand it!! I have a much larger vessel now but when the lake kicks up I stay in a protected area! Only I prefer Belvedere over Grey Goose LOL.

Comanche3Six 01-15-2014 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 4057723)
This is a 15' wave. That is a 40' Skater and this series of waves can be confirmed by Matt Trulio and half of the NJPPC poker run that day!

That is big water, love to enjoy a video of that action. Thanks for the pic, love to see the landing, Great action I'm sure.

Payton 01-15-2014 09:51 PM

Awe Mike it's only a lake. The waves don;t get big.I wimped out that day. We left the Ditch heading toward East Chicago for the start of the run. When I was in a trough I could not see the lake. I am 6;6" and was standing.I managed to get turned around and put my SH back on the trailer.We went to the poker run site and watched a bunch of boats come in with big cracks.

jbraun2828 01-15-2014 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by abones (Post 4057728)
I'm with you on this Mild! I got caught out in the Manitou Passage years ago in my 28 Checkmate, wind kicked up and when we were down in the troughs we could not see the horizon, took water over the bow every wave( thank God for the windshield) wife and kids were screaming at me as I headed toward the safe harbor at Leland MI. in the following sea. All I will say is until someone experiences the Fury of the Great Lakes they can't and won't understand it!! I have a much larger vessel now but when the lake kicks up I stay in a protected area! Only I prefer Belvedere over Grey Goose LOL.

I've been there too. Water coming over on every wave. Nobody had a tape measure but we all knew it was some big chit. Just happy to make it home.

the deep 01-15-2014 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Tom A. (Post 4057723)
This is a 15' wave. That is a 40' Skater and this series of waves can be confirmed by Matt Trulio and half of the NJPPC poker run that day!

Photoshop , everyone knows cats can't do big water...........:whistle: :party-smiley-004:

Tinkerer 01-15-2014 10:34 PM

4 footers at the most. No way anything bigger than that. In 8 footers you get lost in the bottom of the trough - all you can see in any direction is water. Been there done that. I have a video of my 34 SCARAB out in two / three footers at speed and the water doesn't look much different than that video.

offshorexcursion 01-15-2014 10:42 PM

Lake Michigan is no joke and the waves get big.

I believe Scott at pier 57

I invite all you keyboard cowboys to come attempt boating on the great lakes during a rough day THEN you can comment!

Keith Atlanta 01-15-2014 10:43 PM

I cant believe you guys have been in a pizzing match over wave sizes for 14 pages....

Apparently its winter time.

RT930turbo 01-15-2014 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 4057757)
I cant believe you guys have been in a pizzing match over wave sizes for 14 pages....

Apparently its winter time.

You must have missed the 12 in between :drink:

Comanche3Six 01-15-2014 11:25 PM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 4057757)
I cant believe you guys have been in a pizzing match over wave sizes for 14 pages....

Apparently its winter time.

Your right. 8 more pages and I'm done with this topic. LOL!

shootitup 01-16-2014 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 4057773)
Your right. 8 more pages and I'm done with this topic. LOL!

What a rush

There are different size shoes there must be different foots this tread show it all.
This is Official wave research lets respect each opinion

MILD THUNDER 01-16-2014 12:28 AM

If you really want a rush, get a old Cigarette, and chase down cruiser wakes on a inland lake every weekend. Have your buddies film your boat launching with the nose pointed towards jupiter. Then come on oso and tell everyone how your boat eats up rough water and what a killer throttle arm you have.

BZ 01-16-2014 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by sommerfliesby (Post 4057322)
2006 and 2007 were the bumpy ones. Off the top of my head...delaminated, broken stringers on a Nor-tech cat, two delaminated Skaters, hullside blown out on a 38 Flatdeck, anchor pierced hull through locker on a 42 Fountain, deck separated from hull on a 38 Formula, busted mirror, icebox on BZs 42 Fountain, Zastrow almost sank his MTI after a hose was pounded off, Payton was knocked to the floor of my Fountain and had back surgery later...and I'm sure there was more. I heard that Poker Face Baja was stress-cracked all to hell after this run...that dude ran the CRAP outta that boat...

The only reason the ice box broke is because we didn't drink the beer fast enough !

mike tkach 01-16-2014 12:51 AM

i have seen ROUGH WATER at loto on some weekends but you can continue if you drive safely.on lake michigan things can change quickly and you can get in trouble in a hurry.i remember putting in at east chicago years ago,we got out of the breakwall and it looked pretty rough,me being the tough guy i was going to show my buddys how good a 32 baja can handle big waves,that lasted about 30 seconds.it was solid 6 footers with an occasional 8 footer and it scared the shiit out of me.i quickly learned to respect,and fear the great lakes when it gets ugly.

Full Force 01-16-2014 05:43 AM

Agree!!


Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 4057755)
lake michigan is no joke and the waves get big.

I believe scott at pier 57

i invite all you keyboard cowboys to come attempt boating on the great lakes during a rough day then you can comment!


Full Force 01-16-2014 05:44 AM

great lakes dont have a trough lol they are square waves, 5 ft high, 5 ft apart!!


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 4057754)
4 footers at the most. No way anything bigger than that. In 8 footers you get lost in the bottom of the trough - all you can see in any direction is water. Been there done that. I have a video of my 34 SCARAB out in two / three footers at speed and the water doesn't look much different than that video.


sommerfliesby 01-16-2014 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4057793)
i have seen ROUGH WATER at loto on some weekends but you can continue if you drive safely.on lake michigan things can change quickly and you can get in trouble in a hurry.i remember putting in at east chicago years ago,we got out of the breakwall and it looked pretty rough,me being the tough guy i was going to show my buddys how good a 32 baja can handle big waves,that lasted about 30 seconds.it was solid 6 footers with an occasional 8 footer and it scared the shiit out of me.i quickly learned to respect,and fear the great lakes when it gets ugly.

Is this why you hide out on the river all the time? :party-smiley-004: ;)

sommerfliesby 01-16-2014 06:27 AM

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Screen capture from the 2007 Chicago Poker Run. It was solid 4s with an occasional bigger hole that day...not as bad as 2006. I came down from the hotel room early and launched the boat myself that morning, and while I was down there, I decided to stick my nose out and see what it was like. When I got back up to the room, my wife was just waking up. First thing I said to her was "We don't HAVE to do this. We are only going to go as far as you are comfortable, I have no problem with that." She was concerned, but still wanted to run. We tucked in behind the OSO Top Gun at the beginning of the run and let them beat down some of the waves, but then I got a little crazy and went out on my own. With stock 502s, that Fountain would run 72 mph topped out...I was running about 60-65 in those waves to stay on top, and we were having a BLAST. I slowed down to 50 at one point, and my wife yelled "What did you do????" I said..."I slowed down, why?" She said "Well speed back up, we are getting the $hit beat out of us!" Made it all the way to Michigan City and back...we were one of the smallest boats to do it, too. Couple shots Michelle took at the card stop in Michigan City...

sommerfliesby 01-16-2014 06:37 AM

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2007 was also the first year the Okie boys rolled up. They had some colorful language describing Lake Michigan as well! The boats that ran out front in the morning were both Skaters...Jim Lee followed by Brandon Lee...

Had to get the perspective shot of my boat and trailer next to US-1 the day before the run. My Fountain looks like a bathtub toy! Lol.

314joey 01-16-2014 06:48 AM

All stories,.................... here's some rough water at LOTO......................lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNAZ5837vlY

sommerfliesby 01-16-2014 06:49 AM

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But, this thread is about BIG Lake Michigan water, so here's some more from 2006...

Somewhere in that splash is a 42 Fountain...
40' Baja...
Vic Spelburg trying to imitate Don A by hitting the heli...
35' Baja...
33 Eliminator...

sommerfliesby 01-16-2014 06:58 AM

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Extra special honorable mention one this day had to go to our very own Brother Mike. Allegedly, he knocked himself unconscious, came to with his fiancé splashing water on his face, and STILL drove like this. He DID get the cover shot in Powerboat mag, though, so it was worth it! Lol. Not bad for a 525/Bravo boat!

I still shake my head when looking at the first pic! Looks Photoshopped! Must have been a HELL of a landing!

Payton 01-16-2014 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by sommerfliesby (Post 4057823)
But, this thread is about BIG Lake Michigan water, so here's some more from 2006...

Somewhere in that splash is a 42 Fountain...
40' Baja...
Vic Spelburg trying to imitate Don A by hitting the heli...
35' Baja...
33 Eliminator...

Great Pics Mike. 06 is when I put my Super Hawaii back on the trailer, 07 I broke a gimble and my drive fell off. I ran after lunch with you and blew out a disc in my back. Sure glad this hobby is fun. lol

RT930turbo 01-16-2014 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by sommerfliesby (Post 4057826)
Extra special honorable mention one this day had to go to our very own Brother Mike. Allegedly, he knocked himself unconscious, came to with his fiancé splashing water on his face, and STILL drove like this. He DID get the cover shot in Powerboat mag, though, so it was worth it! Lol. Not bad for a 525/Bravo boat!

I still shake my head when looking at the first pic! Looks Photoshopped! Must have been a HELL of a landing!


Those are photoshop. Formulas can't fly

sommerfliesby 01-16-2014 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by RT930turbo (Post 4057851)
Those are photoshop. Formulas can't fly

Nuh-uh. They have a BIRD in their logo, dude!

ICDEDPPL 01-16-2014 08:25 AM

Great pics Mike.. however I`m sorry those are some small waves, probably -1 to 1/2." Just ask anyone here they will confirm.
Also all them guys should really sign up for Tres Class, obviously they do not know how to use trim/tabs.

Thank you

eightsecmopar 01-16-2014 09:41 AM

Great pic's Mike, Thanks for sharing!

mcprodesign 01-16-2014 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Tim G. (Post 4057104)
Next time you think its rough… Stop the boat. If you can see out when the boat is in the trough is't barely 5-6'… and chances are you can barely run at speed safely..
I ran a CC up the beach between Ft. Lauderdale and Miami… I couldn't see over the waves when I was in the trough, and they looked to be as tall as the hard top…. Boat needs 10' bridge clearance… I ran the boat in the toughs, and eased over the tops into the next gut… Ran 40 or so in the troughs, 20 up and over.. If I thought I was Billy Boatracer that would have been my last ride….
I chuckle at how some come up with wave heights when they are talking about their run… (LOTO guys know what I'm talking about:) )

I'm both thinking 4's in the video IC… More like 2-3' at biggest… You could have dropped the bow in one of those and still been fine… Lake MI has some of the crappiest water I have ever run in, and that video looked like much nicer conditions than I ever remember seeing… The 38 Gun is a tough V to beat…and I tried…...:whistle:

Good stories this winter boys….keep them coming.

i agree . its like 4 foot wind swell chop.not fun boating. these guys need to come out to the pacific where it is glassty smooth ( in the morning ) with swell. i surf so i have seen some big sh!t. one day in my 27 fountain.. 8- 10 to get out of the harbor. had to wait in between stes and hit it or not doable.. then once outside 40' apart and 10 feet or so high. never could tell where shore was unless you were on the top.. thats like 5 percent of the time seeing land.. thats 10 feet ( in a fountain 27) :D did you get a chance to see the video on the right? can't figure out what brand of boat it is but it sure aint no cig :daz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NnB9O1fWj4

mcprodesign 01-16-2014 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Tim G. (Post 4057104)
Next time you think its rough… Stop the boat. If you can see out when the boat is in the trough is't barely 5-6'… and chances are you can barely run at speed safely..
I ran a CC up the beach between Ft. Lauderdale and Miami… I couldn't see over the waves when I was in the trough, and they looked to be as tall as the hard top…. Boat needs 10' bridge clearance… I ran the boat in the toughs, and eased over the tops into the next gut… Ran 40 or so in the troughs, 20 up and over.. If I thought I was Billy Boatracer that would have been my last ride….
I chuckle at how some come up with wave heights when they are talking about their run… (LOTO guys know what I'm talking about:) )

I'm both thinking 4's in the video IC… More like 2-3' at biggest… You could have dropped the bow in one of those and still been fine… Lake MI has some of the crappiest water I have ever run in, and that video looked like much nicer conditions than I ever remember seeing… The 38 Gun is a tough V to beat…and I tried…...:whistle:

Good stories this winter boys….keep them coming.

i agree . its like 4 foot wind swell chop.not fun boating. these guys need to come out to the pacific where it is glassty smooth ( in the morning ) with swell. i surf so i have seen some big sh!t. one day in my 27 fountain.. 8- 10 to get out of the harbor. had to wait in between stes and hit it or not doable.. then once outside 40 YARDS apart and 10 feet or so high. never could tell where shore was unless you were on the top.. thats like 5 percent of the time seeing land.. thats 10 feet ( in a fountain 27) :D did you get a chance to see the video on the right? can't figure out what brand of boat it is but it sure aint no cig :lolhit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NnB9O1fWj4

mcprodesign 01-16-2014 11:11 AM

This is a 15 foot high day. The one rouge wave he launches on is is 20 plus but the rest of them are about 10- 15.

The ocational 8 foot in the the video is probably true but not 15 . IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwsCyRol4TA


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