AT vs. OL
01-27-2014 | 07:36 PM
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Just another statement that shows you don't have a clue what actually goes into the construction of them and what the differences are between them.
Read the ads between the 2 boats being compared to see the list of amenties. This isn't about your 39OL.
Your own statements from another post showing that you run 91 with the proper props on your 98.5mph boat.
The same goes for AT's. Everyday speeds with normal props are 83-85. Add a 6k set of Hering props and top speed increases are the same.
Like I said, you're 10-15% faster. I hope that 10-15% is worth the 50% extra cost to you.
The speeds you keep quoting for Baja's are not even close to reality. A 38 Special won't break 70 with 500's and a 36 Outlaw sees 71-72.
In case you don't know, Powerboat Mag tests from 15 years ago were a little skewed based on advertsing $$$.
I would think that being the astute Baja owner that you are that you would know more about them, like who owns the defunct company.
It really does not matter who actually owns nothing though. Baja has not built a twin engine boat for about 3-5 years.
Brunswick owned Baja and gave it to Fountain to try and bail out Fountain. Brunswick also owns Mercruiser.
Read the ads between the 2 boats being compared to see the list of amenties. This isn't about your 39OL.
Your own statements from another post showing that you run 91 with the proper props on your 98.5mph boat.
The same goes for AT's. Everyday speeds with normal props are 83-85. Add a 6k set of Hering props and top speed increases are the same.
Like I said, you're 10-15% faster. I hope that 10-15% is worth the 50% extra cost to you.
The speeds you keep quoting for Baja's are not even close to reality. A 38 Special won't break 70 with 500's and a 36 Outlaw sees 71-72.
In case you don't know, Powerboat Mag tests from 15 years ago were a little skewed based on advertsing $$$.
I would think that being the astute Baja owner that you are that you would know more about them, like who owns the defunct company.
It really does not matter who actually owns nothing though. Baja has not built a twin engine boat for about 3-5 years.
Brunswick owned Baja and gave it to Fountain to try and bail out Fountain. Brunswick also owns Mercruiser.
My statement of my boat doing 98.5mph is true and correct. I currently have it propped for the 91 max mph. However thats not the same speed as the AT with Herrings on his boat runs by his own admission. He quoted 90 with Herrings on it.
Ive been on a 36 outlaw and did 80mph already so I don't know where your getting that 71-72mph from. But then again all your numbers are clearly bias.
Being an astute Baja owner I thought my boat was built when SeaRay owned the brand then it was sold to Fountain, then some company bought it and several other brands with Fountain, then they went bankrupt, then someone bought the Baja name out of that bankruptcy and who that is I'm not sure although i have an idea.
Now going back to my point. I realize the Baja brand is out of business but I'm comparing the 2 boats based on the used boat market ( Baja and AT). The owner of AT builds a 1 off boat he's taking to the boat show. Im sure its a nice boat.
I appreciate the debate tho, I hope your not getting mad, i think this is all good and fun. Remember… its winter.
01-27-2014 | 07:41 PM
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From: Overland Park, KS 87mm Loto
525sc's this years shootout.
01-27-2014 | 07:43 PM
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Smartest post on this tread.
We will be side by side in Miami and I would consider it an honor to be able to swap seat time with Mike and critique each other's boats followed by a few beers on the dock.
We aren't selling Ford vs. Chevy. It's a different fit for all these guys.
I will enjoy meeting you.
Pat
We will be side by side in Miami and I would consider it an honor to be able to swap seat time with Mike and critique each other's boats followed by a few beers on the dock.
We aren't selling Ford vs. Chevy. It's a different fit for all these guys.
I will enjoy meeting you.
Pat
01-27-2014 | 07:48 PM
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Just to be fair, that boat at Shootout, was not a standard 35 configuration, But it sure did make people talk.... There is RARELY a time any straight hull will out perform (in top end) a stepped hull, with the same size or power. I think the comparisons of Baja to AT, is just in styling and size. I will concede, the AT is a better fit and finish boat, The AT also cost substantially more to begin with.
But all the AT's, during the poker runs, were always behind us, so I can't comment about the ride difference.
My 40, w/496's(3) ran 79.8 on the GPS. But day to day running 75-76, non lab props.
The Quattro is realistically the best comparison to the AT, But what fun would it be to have true comparisons to debate!
But all the AT's, during the poker runs, were always behind us, so I can't comment about the ride difference.
My 40, w/496's(3) ran 79.8 on the GPS. But day to day running 75-76, non lab props.
The Quattro is realistically the best comparison to the AT, But what fun would it be to have true comparisons to debate!
01-27-2014 | 08:10 PM
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I cant explain the feeling you get sitting in that seat. Its tingly to the genitals. That red carbon fiber vinyl feels great on your bare ass too, just gets a little hot in the sun. Mike kept reaching towards my shaft thinking he was driving his old Fountain, or so he said that's why he was.
01-27-2014 | 08:21 PM
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...created your opinion of the entire brand; every boat, and every owner?
What if the guy had a hurt motor?
What if he was borrowing his buddy's smaller props because he damaged his the day before?
What if he had his 70 year old Dad on board and didn't want to risk injury?
What if he was out there for a good time and didn't give a rats ass about anyone waiting for him because he knew the free food at the next stop was going to taste like chit?
(I've been in every one of those situations myself on organized runs.)
A 25AT with HP500, 4 big guys, enough luggage for 2 weeks, and enough beer for a month...
...did the Miami to Key West Poker Run a couple years ago, and hung with the second group; no one complained; and everyone had a great time; ESPECIALLY them.
I just wanted to clarify; and please forgive me if I'm wrong.
