Outerlimits Sets SV Single Kilo Record
05-02-2014 | 11:35 AM
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For one, it is not considered an SVL being as this was a SPECIAL EVENT. The rules have yet to be written (as far as I know) for the newly formed category after the event had taken place.
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05-02-2014 | 11:42 AM
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If I am reading this correctly, the boat did not meet tech standards(or wasn't inspected at all) for the SVL class. So, they backtracked and "made-up" a class for it?
I am not stirring the pot, just curious as this thread was all over the place.
I am not stirring the pot, just curious as this thread was all over the place.
05-02-2014 | 12:03 PM
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05-02-2014 | 03:36 PM
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Perhaps I can clarify a few things
The Snowy Mountain Brewery Boat was never registered as a Super Vee Light nor was it trying to break the Super Vee Light record......SMB was registered in the class of Super Vee Canopy under the Special Events Category....Super Vee Light is a class under the Offshore Category....in fact there is a Super Vee Light and a Super Vee Light Single class listed under the Offshore Category....if you go to the APBA website and look up records (or speed records) under the Offshore Category you will see this
Because of the confusion that was generated when everyone thought that SMB was run under the Super Vee Light category, (which is understandable being that those are the boats it routinely races against) the ABPA requested that the class name be changed to not include either the words "Super" or"Lite" so to hopefully alleviate the confusion.....The SMB team agreed and thus the class SV Single was designated
As far as the Special Events category vs the Offshore category there are different waiting periods and other criteria required from the APBA to put on each repected event......to put on an Offshore Kilo it is basically like putting on an Offshore race which is why most of the time Offshore Kilos are piggy backed on races.......As far safety, divers, timing equipment, Coast Guard Approval, Officials, the two are very similar
Because the owner of the SV43 had other obligations for the hull and the owner of the 1650's had other obligations for the engines the Special Events category was really the only option to get the Kilo record attempts accomplished......There are many records listed in the Special Events Category that involve Offshore Boats...I believe that this was the the same category used when the Cigarette team attempted to break the Vee Hull Kilo record
It is a shame that a tremendous accomplishment has been tarnished.....as a team we went into this hoping that this would create a positive buzz in the Offshore World and would be a boost to the entire Industry....the amount of work done by Brian Forehand and his team at Marker 17 to get the 43 set up to attempt a speed record with the amount of time in which they had to get it done combined with resulting outcome is nothing short of amazing......the technology and efficiency that comes with an Outerlimits hull combined with the incredible power plants being produced at Mercury Racing can obviously produce game changing results.....the two boat owners, Joe Sgro and Doc Janssen also deserve much credit
I would like to add there was certainly no malicious attempt to discredit any prior accomplishments and records......if any individual or organization feels that they were slighted by this event I would like to offer my public apology
Mark A Tuck
The Snowy Mountain Brewery Boat was never registered as a Super Vee Light nor was it trying to break the Super Vee Light record......SMB was registered in the class of Super Vee Canopy under the Special Events Category....Super Vee Light is a class under the Offshore Category....in fact there is a Super Vee Light and a Super Vee Light Single class listed under the Offshore Category....if you go to the APBA website and look up records (or speed records) under the Offshore Category you will see this
Because of the confusion that was generated when everyone thought that SMB was run under the Super Vee Light category, (which is understandable being that those are the boats it routinely races against) the ABPA requested that the class name be changed to not include either the words "Super" or"Lite" so to hopefully alleviate the confusion.....The SMB team agreed and thus the class SV Single was designated
As far as the Special Events category vs the Offshore category there are different waiting periods and other criteria required from the APBA to put on each repected event......to put on an Offshore Kilo it is basically like putting on an Offshore race which is why most of the time Offshore Kilos are piggy backed on races.......As far safety, divers, timing equipment, Coast Guard Approval, Officials, the two are very similar
Because the owner of the SV43 had other obligations for the hull and the owner of the 1650's had other obligations for the engines the Special Events category was really the only option to get the Kilo record attempts accomplished......There are many records listed in the Special Events Category that involve Offshore Boats...I believe that this was the the same category used when the Cigarette team attempted to break the Vee Hull Kilo record
It is a shame that a tremendous accomplishment has been tarnished.....as a team we went into this hoping that this would create a positive buzz in the Offshore World and would be a boost to the entire Industry....the amount of work done by Brian Forehand and his team at Marker 17 to get the 43 set up to attempt a speed record with the amount of time in which they had to get it done combined with resulting outcome is nothing short of amazing......the technology and efficiency that comes with an Outerlimits hull combined with the incredible power plants being produced at Mercury Racing can obviously produce game changing results.....the two boat owners, Joe Sgro and Doc Janssen also deserve much credit
I would like to add there was certainly no malicious attempt to discredit any prior accomplishments and records......if any individual or organization feels that they were slighted by this event I would like to offer my public apology
Mark A Tuck
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05-02-2014 | 03:39 PM
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Perhaps I can clarify a few things
The Snowy Mountain Brewery Boat was never registered as a Super Vee Light nor was it trying to break the Super Vee Light record......SMB was registered in the class of Super Vee Canopy under the Special Events Category....Super Vee Light is a class under the Offshore Category....in fact there is a Super Vee Light and a Super Vee Light Single class listed under the Offshore Category....if you go to the APBA website and look up records (or speed records) under the Offshore Category you will see this
Because of the confusion that was generated when everyone thought that SMB was run under the Super Vee Light category, (which is understandable being that those are the boats it routinely races against) the ABPA requested that the class name be changed to not include either the words "Super" or"Lite" so to hopefully alleviate the confusion.....The SMB team agreed and thus the class SV Single was designated
As far as the Special Events category vs the Offshore category there are different waiting periods and other criteria required from the APBA to put on each repected event......to put on an Offshore Kilo it is basically like putting on an Offshore race which is why most of the time Offshore Kilos are piggy backed on races.......As far safety, divers, timing equipment, Coast Guard Approval, Officials, the two are very similar
Because the owner of the SV43 had other obligations for the hull and the owner of the 1650's had other obligations for the engines the Special Events category was really the only option to get the Kilo records established......There are many records listed in the Special Events Category that involve Offshore Boats...I believe that this was the the same category used when the Cigarette team attempted to break the Vee Hull Kilo record
It is a shame that a tremendous accomplishment has been tarnished.....as a team we went into this hoping that this would create a positive buzz in the Offshore World and would be a boost to the entire Industry....the amount of work done by Brian Forehand and his team at Marker 17 to get the 43 set up to attempt a speed record with the amount of time in which they had to get it done combined with resulting outcome is nothing short of amazing......the technology and efficiency that comes with an Outerlimits hull combined with the incredible power plants being produced at Mercury Racing can obviously produce game changing results.....the two boat owners, Joe Sgro and Doc Janssen also deserve much credit
I would like to add there was certainly no malicious attempt to discredit any prior accomplishments and records......if any individual or organization feels that they were slighted by this event I would like to offer my public apology
Mark A Tuck
The Snowy Mountain Brewery Boat was never registered as a Super Vee Light nor was it trying to break the Super Vee Light record......SMB was registered in the class of Super Vee Canopy under the Special Events Category....Super Vee Light is a class under the Offshore Category....in fact there is a Super Vee Light and a Super Vee Light Single class listed under the Offshore Category....if you go to the APBA website and look up records (or speed records) under the Offshore Category you will see this
Because of the confusion that was generated when everyone thought that SMB was run under the Super Vee Light category, (which is understandable being that those are the boats it routinely races against) the ABPA requested that the class name be changed to not include either the words "Super" or"Lite" so to hopefully alleviate the confusion.....The SMB team agreed and thus the class SV Single was designated
As far as the Special Events category vs the Offshore category there are different waiting periods and other criteria required from the APBA to put on each repected event......to put on an Offshore Kilo it is basically like putting on an Offshore race which is why most of the time Offshore Kilos are piggy backed on races.......As far safety, divers, timing equipment, Coast Guard Approval, Officials, the two are very similar
Because the owner of the SV43 had other obligations for the hull and the owner of the 1650's had other obligations for the engines the Special Events category was really the only option to get the Kilo records established......There are many records listed in the Special Events Category that involve Offshore Boats...I believe that this was the the same category used when the Cigarette team attempted to break the Vee Hull Kilo record
It is a shame that a tremendous accomplishment has been tarnished.....as a team we went into this hoping that this would create a positive buzz in the Offshore World and would be a boost to the entire Industry....the amount of work done by Brian Forehand and his team at Marker 17 to get the 43 set up to attempt a speed record with the amount of time in which they had to get it done combined with resulting outcome is nothing short of amazing......the technology and efficiency that comes with an Outerlimits hull combined with the incredible power plants being produced at Mercury Racing can obviously produce game changing results.....the two boat owners, Joe Sgro and Doc Janssen also deserve much credit
I would like to add there was certainly no malicious attempt to discredit any prior accomplishments and records......if any individual or organization feels that they were slighted by this event I would like to offer my public apology
Mark A Tuck
Yep, Mark has his rule book!
05-02-2014 | 04:28 PM
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"The Snowy Mountain Brewery Boat was never registered as a Super Vee Light nor was it trying to break the Super Vee Light record"......
WHAT?
Then why is the SMB boat "allowed" to race in Super V Lite class, against other Super V Lite boats and win Super V Lite prize money?
WOW does that smell !!
WHAT?
Then why is the SMB boat "allowed" to race in Super V Lite class, against other Super V Lite boats and win Super V Lite prize money?
WOW does that smell !!
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05-02-2014 | 04:31 PM
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05-02-2014 | 04:35 PM
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How difficult is it to read a rule book and follow that rule book? (and enforce the rule book) It seems that the SMB boat entered and "beat" the V-Lite record until the offshore community called them out so the APBA made up a new class for the boat and slide the record over to that one. .. is that about right? I really have no idea what the hell is going on anymore..
05-02-2014 | 07:38 PM
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Perhaps I can clarify a few things
The Snowy Mountain Brewery Boat was never registered as a Super Vee Light nor was it trying to break the Super Vee Light record......SMB was registered in the class of Super Vee Canopy under the Special Events Category....Super Vee Light is a class under the Offshore Category....in fact there is a Super Vee Light and a Super Vee Light Single class listed under the Offshore Category....if you go to the APBA website and look up records (or speed records) under the Offshore Category you will see this
Because of the confusion that was generated when everyone thought that SMB was run under the Super Vee Light category, (which is understandable being that those are the boats it routinely races against) the ABPA requested that the class name be changed to not include either the words "Super" or"Lite" so to hopefully alleviate the confusion.....The SMB team agreed and thus the class SV Single was designated
As far as the Special Events category vs the Offshore category there are different waiting periods and other criteria required from the APBA to put on each repected event......to put on an Offshore Kilo it is basically like putting on an Offshore race which is why most of the time Offshore Kilos are piggy backed on races.......As far safety, divers, timing equipment, Coast Guard Approval, Officials, the two are very similar
Because the owner of the SV43 had other obligations for the hull and the owner of the 1650's had other obligations for the engines the Special Events category was really the only option to get the Kilo record attempts accomplished......There are many records listed in the Special Events Category that involve Offshore Boats...I believe that this was the the same category used when the Cigarette team attempted to break the Vee Hull Kilo record
It is a shame that a tremendous accomplishment has been tarnished.....as a team we went into this hoping that this would create a positive buzz in the Offshore World and would be a boost to the entire Industry....the amount of work done by Brian Forehand and his team at Marker 17 to get the 43 set up to attempt a speed record with the amount of time in which they had to get it done combined with resulting outcome is nothing short of amazing......the technology and efficiency that comes with an Outerlimits hull combined with the incredible power plants being produced at Mercury Racing can obviously produce game changing results.....the two boat owners, Joe Sgro and Doc Janssen also deserve much credit
I would like to add there was certainly no malicious attempt to discredit any prior accomplishments and records......if any individual or organization feels that they were slighted by this event I would like to offer my public apology
Mark A Tuck
The Snowy Mountain Brewery Boat was never registered as a Super Vee Light nor was it trying to break the Super Vee Light record......SMB was registered in the class of Super Vee Canopy under the Special Events Category....Super Vee Light is a class under the Offshore Category....in fact there is a Super Vee Light and a Super Vee Light Single class listed under the Offshore Category....if you go to the APBA website and look up records (or speed records) under the Offshore Category you will see this
Because of the confusion that was generated when everyone thought that SMB was run under the Super Vee Light category, (which is understandable being that those are the boats it routinely races against) the ABPA requested that the class name be changed to not include either the words "Super" or"Lite" so to hopefully alleviate the confusion.....The SMB team agreed and thus the class SV Single was designated
As far as the Special Events category vs the Offshore category there are different waiting periods and other criteria required from the APBA to put on each repected event......to put on an Offshore Kilo it is basically like putting on an Offshore race which is why most of the time Offshore Kilos are piggy backed on races.......As far safety, divers, timing equipment, Coast Guard Approval, Officials, the two are very similar
Because the owner of the SV43 had other obligations for the hull and the owner of the 1650's had other obligations for the engines the Special Events category was really the only option to get the Kilo record attempts accomplished......There are many records listed in the Special Events Category that involve Offshore Boats...I believe that this was the the same category used when the Cigarette team attempted to break the Vee Hull Kilo record
It is a shame that a tremendous accomplishment has been tarnished.....as a team we went into this hoping that this would create a positive buzz in the Offshore World and would be a boost to the entire Industry....the amount of work done by Brian Forehand and his team at Marker 17 to get the 43 set up to attempt a speed record with the amount of time in which they had to get it done combined with resulting outcome is nothing short of amazing......the technology and efficiency that comes with an Outerlimits hull combined with the incredible power plants being produced at Mercury Racing can obviously produce game changing results.....the two boat owners, Joe Sgro and Doc Janssen also deserve much credit
I would like to add there was certainly no malicious attempt to discredit any prior accomplishments and records......if any individual or organization feels that they were slighted by this event I would like to offer my public apology
Mark A Tuck
Nobody has said anything but kudos and congrats on the 43's run. Truely spectacular!! Everything is being said against the SMB. That team had a rather tarnished reputation when it ran the fountain and the black cloud was already in tow well before they got the outerlimits, Why on earth did outerlimits decide to back them from the begining of the SMB venture is beyond me. They had to of known the history and the potential for further negative publicity...
