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Old 05-10-2014 | 06:53 AM
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Now that the new Super Vee Light record has been verified I would like to bring this thread back to life. I re-read the whole thread and I see a lot of dancing around and a lot of rules posted and a lot of sour grapes between APBA and OPA but nowhere do I see exactly why this record should not be considered valid. I am really trying to understand this. I read the rules and the only one that I see that may have been broken was not circulating a flyer beforehand to invite other boats. Post #66 is interesting as it brings up the flier issue and the issue of pre and post tech inspections. Post # 91 is interesting because it is from T2x and he also says that this record is a sham but does not say exactly why. Sounds like sour grapes. Can I just respectfully ask why this boat is not svl legal and why this record should not stand? Not a lot of dancing around and bad blood between two sanctioning bodies but exactly what rule was broken? I just really want to know and then I will know more about off-shore racing. It seems that the 29 (30) OL met all specifications for svl. Weight, length, canopy, sealed 525, unmodified ECU etc. Is someone suggesting that Outerlimits cheated? That the engine was actually modified and a fake seal put on? Or that the ECU was not legal? Is it that no post run tear down and detailed tech inspection occurred? Maybe the fuel was illegal? Someone in the know please tell me why this new record should be disputed.
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Old 05-10-2014 | 06:59 AM
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Sealed 525. That's worth a giggle.
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Old 05-10-2014 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Griswald
Sealed 525. That's worth a giggle.
So some feel that the engine was modified and that OL cheated and that the engine should have been torn down to check for headwork etc.? Why would OL put themselves in a position to be embarrassed and discredited like that?
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Old 05-10-2014 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
So some feel that the engine was modified and that OL cheated and that the engine should have been torn down to check for headwork etc.? Why would OL put themselves in a position to be embarrassed and discredited like that?
Because they are trying to sell boats. How would it be discredited. And how did they cheat? Cheat what? As far as I know there were no inspectors of any kind there. So how can you cheat? Bottom line , now that Fountain is out of the way so to speak ( no offense Reggie ) they want to be top dog and sell boats. I wouldn't hold that against anyone. I would love to see a 525 pick out of a choice of 5 boxes put in the boat and then go run. But that will never happen, ever. Ok bash away!
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Old 05-10-2014 | 07:35 AM
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Thirdchild - I think you may be missing the point on this. It's not about setting a record. Boat ran 100mph...that's awesome. The controversy that surrounds the team over the past couple of years is the fact that they've been known and caught edging the rules at certain races. Hard to shake that stigma. Now, to show up for a kilo run with a boat that supposedly fits sanctioning rules and run that mph...well, that's something to raise a few eyebrows. To run the number and then call it an SVL...I think that's what the stink is all about. I agree with the post above, too. Pick a motor out of 5 boxes lined up on the floor, get it in the boat and see what it runs. Remember, eye brows are already raised. Do this and watch some jaws drop. I would venture to guess that mid 90s is all she'll do. Maybe I'm wrong and the boat is just that fast?

For those interested, this is my personal opinion and I'm sticking to it!
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Old 05-10-2014 | 07:39 AM
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Well put Gris, If they did that, and put up a big number I would Outerlimits from the tree tops with the rest of the millionaires.
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Old 05-10-2014 | 07:52 AM
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Thanks for the honest replies. This racing team has been involved in controversy in the past and no tech inspectors were present. That's a straight up answer that I appreciate. No one is saying they cheated but no one can say that they didn't because the engine was not checked. I also like the idea of the random engine thing. I guess I would have to agree that the engine should have been torn down and checked after the run. At least the heads pulled, fuel tested and ECU tested. With all of the money spent here that would have been a small extra cost. Thanks again.
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Old 05-10-2014 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bwd
Well put Gris, If they did that, and put up a big number I would Outerlimits from the tree tops with the rest of the millionaires.

And much deserved if they did.
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Old 05-10-2014 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
It seems that the 29 (30) OL met all specifications for svl. Weight, length, canopy, sealed 525, unmodified ECU etc. Is someone suggesting that Outerlimits cheated? That the engine was actually modified and a fake seal put on? Or that the ECU was not legal? Is it that no post run tear down and detailed tech inspection occurred? Maybe the fuel was illegal? Someone in the know please tell me why this new record should be disputed.
Seems? Really, that's good enough for a tech inspection? It either passes tech or it fails.

FYI, the President of APBA was the guy who said the boat didn't meet the svl criteria, not a bunch of unqualified onlookers. That's one big reason the APBA didn't classify it under their Offshore category but instead carved out the Special Event category SV Single, a class that apparently has no criteria published anywhere anyone can find.
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Old 05-10-2014 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cevert
Seems? Really, that's good enough for a tech inspection? It either passes tech or it fails.

FYI, the President of APBA was the guy who said the boat didn't meet the svl criteria, not a bunch of unqualified onlookers. That's one big reason the APBA didn't classify it under their Offshore category but instead carved out the Special Event category SV Single, a class that apparently has no criteria published anywhere anyone can find.
Well, I seem to have missed the part where the president of APBA said the boat didn't meet the svl criteria. Can you show me where that was said? What reason was given? Lack of tech inspections? It's no longer considered an SV Single but is now an official SV Light kilo record ttbomk. I also never said that the people posting here were unqualified onlookers. I know that some of them are racers and I have a lot of respect for "T2x" and the other present racers. Just looking for the actual facts. There is really a lot of an animosity over this.

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