LOTO MSWP Man Overboard Drowning
06-04-2014 | 12:47 PM
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Not even close. When Water Patrol has some sort of accident it's just very public. Here are the real reports from MHP on boating/ drowning reports: http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/WP03/SearchAction
I stand behind my statement that statistically they are the most dangerous boaters at loto.
06-04-2014 | 01:15 PM
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Fist of all, there is +30K boats registered to LOTO, not counting those that visit... (contact Revenue and request a mailing list for advertising. you will get a list, for a fee) So you need to adjust those numbers.
Next, Where is the 5/yr? I know of 1/year for the last 5 years? And now compare the hours used per boat/driver?
I just think if you are going to use statistics, they should be more specific/correct
Next, Where is the 5/yr? I know of 1/year for the last 5 years? And now compare the hours used per boat/driver?
I just think if you are going to use statistics, they should be more specific/correct
06-04-2014 | 01:32 PM
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Sounds like you guys have the same type of water cops up in LOTO we have in Texas. Steel toe boats on your boat, bump your boat while docking, etc.......
I always tell them I wanted to be a cop when I was kid but I went to college and got a real job so I could afford my own boat and not one the gov't bought me........it really makes them sad. lol
I always tell them I wanted to be a cop when I was kid but I went to college and got a real job so I could afford my own boat and not one the gov't bought me........it really makes them sad. lol
06-04-2014 | 01:35 PM
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I Respectfully disagree.... It has EVERYTHING to do with what put the kid in the position in the first place. His decisions put him in that position.
The WP is on the lake for protection of everyone that is not operating in an unsafe manor. The kid jumped by the accounts of the witnesses, he too made that decision. Ramnifications are learned ALWAYS after the fact, rarely are they learned ahead of time.
Yes... The WP officer had him in custody, He placed cuffs on him to protect himself from being accosted by the arrest'y (SOP) He placed a PFD on him, and was driving the boat to unload and book him. The WP Boat was NOT in an accident, Didn't throw him overboard (according to witnesses) nor were there any actions by the WP officer to make the kid get up and jump off by any of the accounts that have been witnessed. I Just don't see where the WP didn't provide prudence in his duties? The kid made the decision and acted on it... He is responsible for his own actions...
Again I ask: What if the kid caused a larger accident, killed a bunch of people (maybe even one of your own friends/family) Would you be *****ing about the WP not having caught him if he had witnessed something, possible as trivial as beer can overboard? I am guessing they would still be on the chopping block...
The WP is on the lake for protection of everyone that is not operating in an unsafe manor. The kid jumped by the accounts of the witnesses, he too made that decision. Ramnifications are learned ALWAYS after the fact, rarely are they learned ahead of time.
Yes... The WP officer had him in custody, He placed cuffs on him to protect himself from being accosted by the arrest'y (SOP) He placed a PFD on him, and was driving the boat to unload and book him. The WP Boat was NOT in an accident, Didn't throw him overboard (according to witnesses) nor were there any actions by the WP officer to make the kid get up and jump off by any of the accounts that have been witnessed. I Just don't see where the WP didn't provide prudence in his duties? The kid made the decision and acted on it... He is responsible for his own actions...
Again I ask: What if the kid caused a larger accident, killed a bunch of people (maybe even one of your own friends/family) Would you be *****ing about the WP not having caught him if he had witnessed something, possible as trivial as beer can overboard? I am guessing they would still be on the chopping block...
06-04-2014 | 01:54 PM
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Sounds like you guys have the same type of water cops up in LOTO we have in Texas. Steel toe boats on your boat, bump your boat while docking, etc.......
I always tell them I wanted to be a cop when I was kid but I went to college and got a real job so I could afford my own boat and not one the gov't bought me........it really makes them sad. lol
I always tell them I wanted to be a cop when I was kid but I went to college and got a real job so I could afford my own boat and not one the gov't bought me........it really makes them sad. lol
06-04-2014 | 02:07 PM
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You realize their are law enforcement officers on this site that purchased their own boats? Also, my son at one point wanted to enter law enforcement and was told he had to have a 4-year degree or they would not even consider him. It did not have to be a law enforcement degree. In fact, he was told to get a degree in something that he could fall back on in case the law enforecement job did not pan out.
06-04-2014 | 02:18 PM
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I keep reading posts that say the life jacket wasn't put on this kid correctly. Can you tell us how you know this to be true? If not then please don't confuse the facts with guesses. This is a sad story no matter what though.
06-04-2014 | 02:21 PM
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We don't know with certainty what happened up to the drowning with the exception of one FACT.
The arresting officer did not put the life jacket or handcuffs on correctly. My guess is he slid the life jacket over his arms while cuffed. Hopefully they release the information stating if his cuffs were still on him when the body was recovered.
The arresting officer did not put the life jacket or handcuffs on correctly. My guess is he slid the life jacket over his arms while cuffed. Hopefully they release the information stating if his cuffs were still on him when the body was recovered.
06-04-2014 | 02:23 PM
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Because when your hands are locked together it is impossible for a life jacket to come off. So, either his cuffs came off or his arms weren't through the armholes. One of the two has to happen.
06-04-2014 | 02:36 PM
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I Respectfully disagree.... It has EVERYTHING to do with what put the kid in the position in the first place. His decisions put him in that position.
The WP is on the lake for protection of everyone that is not operating in an unsafe manor. The kid jumped by the accounts of the witnesses, he too made that decision. Ramnifications are learned ALWAYS after the fact, rarely are they learned ahead of time.
Yes... The WP officer had him in custody, He placed cuffs on him to protect himself from being accosted by the arrest'y (SOP) He placed a PFD on him, and was driving the boat to unload and book him. The WP Boat was NOT in an accident, Didn't throw him overboard (according to witnesses) nor were there any actions by the WP officer to make the kid get up and jump off by any of the accounts that have been witnessed. I Just don't see where the WP didn't provide prudence in his duties? The kid made the decision and acted on it... He is responsible for his own actions...
Again I ask: What if the kid caused a larger accident, killed a bunch of people (maybe even one of your own friends/family) Would you be *****ing about the WP not having caught him if he had witnessed something, possible as trivial as beer can overboard? I am guessing they would still be on the chopping block...
The WP is on the lake for protection of everyone that is not operating in an unsafe manor. The kid jumped by the accounts of the witnesses, he too made that decision. Ramnifications are learned ALWAYS after the fact, rarely are they learned ahead of time.
Yes... The WP officer had him in custody, He placed cuffs on him to protect himself from being accosted by the arrest'y (SOP) He placed a PFD on him, and was driving the boat to unload and book him. The WP Boat was NOT in an accident, Didn't throw him overboard (according to witnesses) nor were there any actions by the WP officer to make the kid get up and jump off by any of the accounts that have been witnessed. I Just don't see where the WP didn't provide prudence in his duties? The kid made the decision and acted on it... He is responsible for his own actions...
Again I ask: What if the kid caused a larger accident, killed a bunch of people (maybe even one of your own friends/family) Would you be *****ing about the WP not having caught him if he had witnessed something, possible as trivial as beer can overboard? I am guessing they would still be on the chopping block...
I don't deal with what if's, I deal with what what happened, he is dead it was preventable, this is bullsh*t he is dead. The WP is responsible once he is in their custody.
