Ok , Sweeet 47! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZX2dLRI1mc

I love apaches as much as the other guys...but I would have to agree with your statement. How do you even upload a VHS to YouTube ? That is the real question...the apache guys sure know how...:)

They are at it again! LOL! !http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue0rEOvdB-8

We run with one on the reg and he keeps up all his own stuff on his boat. It runs like a top too.

http://i62.tinypic.com/22i839.jpg

the new warpath with arnesons isn't an epoxy layup?

it was bagged tho as i recall from the pics i saw of the build

what does a new saber bring, with say 1000hp blower motors and 6s like wicked one. i think it just under a million for the second 42 cheif thats for sale now with 6s

why is that a "42" apache... they send it to reggie fountain for a like beak extension?

seriously what is the deal with a 42? is that out of the chief mold that the new warpath came out of? thx, rm

ive never been in it, but ive seen it at tommys/chief engines, that boat is showroom immaculate clean, i can see why he wants the big coin i think it has 300 life time hours of usage... i dont think there is a nicer one out there

http://www.tkomotorsports.com/cars-b...rrow?nggpage=8
http://www.tkomotorsports.com/cars-b...rrow?nggpage=9

When Ben was arrested (as he was being handcuffed) he noticed the muzzle diameter on one of the arresting officers handguns seemed a bit larger than the others. Ben inquired as to the caliber, and was told it was the new 40. Just then one of Ben's lawyers approached the scene, all he heard was Ben reply to the officer "I want a forty too". The lawyer in-turn relayed the desire back to the Apache Powerboats company that Ben wanted a 42. So, they built it.

This is for sure one of your better posts on OSO...

And any of those will be made with modern engineering and materials, not to mention it will have significantly better amenities. Kind of like comparing a '67 Stingray with a tri-power 427 to a 2014 ZR1. The classics are nice, but for everyday usability and relatively effortless performance, go new.

hmmm these last posts are definitely opposite of what I thought the opinions would be... CIG rough rider is definitely a classy ride.

i also think 41 apache videos we're comparing regular pleasure boats to are skewed... most apache videos running on edge are full race boats with a team of racers in it...

still not sure an apache can be topped in the rough... i enjoy the different views - carry on.

edit - final thought lol. running circles around something one race is different than 20 years of being drug into battle...

Actually the 46 RR suffers from the same issue as the Apaches......You can buy one cheap (compared to new) but the cost to run/maintain them can easily exceed the purchase price. Jeremy had the American Muscle II and outlined multiple updates (refresh 1075s/#6's, paint re-touch at TAOD) and after spending 150K+ he simply sold it to Shogren for like 245K.....the boat then changed hands 3-4 times within the next 2 years. The boat is awesome, the cost to buy it wasn't terrible but in the end it is/was an expensive boat to run! Lipship had it last (asking 259K)- http://lipship.com/used_boats/view/60

Many Apache owners have found themselves in the same situation despite owning a great offshore boat. IMO the last Apache that was a steal was the black 36, Bull Roar. Boat was uber maintained and lightly used by the original owner (multi-millionaire) and was sold after his death. Boat could be easily towed, stored and had a cool look (though all black isn't real practical).

Part of the problem is that all the race footage you see from a helicopter is from 30 years ago, when nothing could keep up with an Apache, even in calm water, BUT THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO. Now they don't race in rough water, and they don't film the races from a helicopter, so there is no new footage, it doesn't mean that the new boats cant do it. Go on youtube and search for rough water footage from the last couple of years and it doesn't exist, I don't care what manufacturer you look up. Here is footage from 2010 Miami Grand Prix, I was personally there at the Fontainebleau, it was huge water, and I think any of the super vees or cats would have kicked blown an Apaches doors in. The new boats just make it look so effortless......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxiyeKqBDgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD6gk...KHgSXF-TAAUAzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-40d...KHgSXF-TAAUAzQ

I will second that.....

Yeah Hey.....This old Resin Bucket does it best! Not struggling like those new V's in smaller water. And the Apache build quality is super high, so even 30 years later they are still in the game. Great Powerboats!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uvkm5kKRXs

Yup, here's the three lead boats, all of them B class, and the Apache is nowhere in sight, HMMMMM......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITYTlIP0lw

We'll see if those other powerboats are racing at 25 years old.
Or have any $ value at all? Or even exist? Before you can make the statement another powerboat is better it would first have to match the Apache in all aspects. If it doesn't, then it isn't.
Nice throttle work here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMDgKQOiXpA

I don't for a second think that's just the apache's or 46 RR! What Jeremy did with AM II was going over the top, full rebuilds through Merc, drives, TAOD paint, updating everything, etc was far from "routine" or related to owning just that one model of boat. That stuff would be very expensive if it was a 40' Hustler or a 46 Cig. If you send all your stuff out to Merc for engine rebuilds (which was crazy $ at the time), TAOD for new paint, etc it's going to get expensive and few people routinely do this (for obviou$ rea$on$). Not to mention when he sold AM II, he basically dumped it at the time (during the depression no less) dropping the price $5k every hour until it sold! It's hard to use that one boat to definitively categorize all boats of the same model based on his unique situation during a depression. Anyone that did the same with a 46 or 51 OL would have went through the same losses.

Regardless, I do agree any large boat with big power will cost a lot to own and will take a good hit in depreciation from when new... they are very expensive to build, run, maintain, so there's a limited market for them and resale reflects that... period.

With that said, while a 41 Apache is truly an awesome boat, I completely agree with 302 that the larger step bottom boats would/will walk away from the equally powered/driven legendary 41 straight bottom in almost all conditions, including the rough as there's just no substitute for the additional running length and more efficient bottoms/modern construction. If the 41 Apache would still be competitive today, they would still be routinely running (and winning with) those old flat bottom resin buckets on the rougher race courses. Regardless, I still love seeing them run. They were awesome then and they still are today! :cool:

It would be really interesting to hear from someone who has actually run or been in both a 41 Apache and any of the newer 40' plus boats. Someone on here must have at some point, please speak up! I love the 41 and its clones and would guess that due to the extra weight they are probably more "comfortable" to run at speed in big water, while the newer stuff would be faster but a bit more of a handful. Also, how come no one brings up the Cig Marauder? I know it's a rarity but with that size and weight it must be a wave crusher?

Steve Nykamp is your man, he's been in a lot of the newer powerboats, owns Allez Vite, and is honest with his reviews.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm0RPcePjL0

Trying to compare the two is like apples and oranges...

You have a guy who walks into the showroom and buys a brand new vette with all the bellls and whistles

And then you have the guy that has lovingly rebuilt a 63 split window coupe from the frame up.

They both love their vettes, they both look at the other guys vette and say "damn thats sweet"

But they are two compeltely different cars and two completely different owners.

BUT the guy with the older vette will not and cannot tell you his vette will perform like a new one..........

Ok, we've tripped the lights fantastic, now back to the question the Original Poster asked. How Much are those 41 Apache Powerboats worth?
Good question. Pricey toys indeed.

No, but I can tell you that watching her race gymkhanas in it when I was a kid definitly put a big smile on her face and I can say driving that car today is still a blast!

Worth is a relative word but like I have stated before that a staggered 41 with 6's and blower motors is worth anywhere from $75k to low $100K's depending on condition (as has been seen from recent sales) if your using real market value as a reference. Just because people list something at double what its market value is, doesn't mean its worth that, yeah maybe to the one person that owns it, but that's about it. Also, just because you just spent $300K refurbishing the boat, doesn't make it worth $300K. That's not the way it works.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_value

Obviously these boats aren't going to be auctioned, but usually if you want to sell something like this where there aren't hundreds of them out there to compare, the best way is to start high, then cut your price by 5% a month until it is sold.

Actually, I like the way you Apache guys think and I made my boat "worth more" today by upping my asking price to $339k........ http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o55145-en.html

You mad that dudes are asking the same for their 47' apaches?

Rent a chopper and get us some bad ass big wave footage. That would definitely raise the value!

I'm kind of suspect of these newer light layup boats. I hear about a velocity breaking up or seeing that donzi cracked in half leads me to believer they can't handle the abuse of the old school boats. Of course this evidence is anecdotal. Do you think the black donzi would have survived the Razz video? Can an apache survive the donzi video? Idk

It's a good thing there are some guys out there with enough money and love for an Apache to keep some of them going. Sadly the remainder with fade away.

so which vete is better and more solid in big water? run em and find out for us...

mark stielows 69 pro touring camaro kicked a brand new modified vettes azz at the optima batteries shootout last year, his new camaro with have 1000 ponies instead of 880 like his last, plus more tire front and rear... better abs.... so yeah the right old vette with the right chassis under could still whip a new vettes azz...
stielows camaro is the bomb, it was huge him smoking that vette, which had better weight dist, lover cd, was much wider, etc, etc, etc... thats how bad his camaro was, the new one will have better weight dist, wider stance, with more hp, and more rubber. you should watch this years optima shootout...

Went to college with Mark in Rolla. Sharp guy, and very cool as well.

While beating a new 2012 ZL1 on the track at Gingerbread with Red Devil, his latest '69 Camaro, he also admitted Red Devil was more of a handful to drive, too. IE, more like a race car. Less refined, and mean. More brute force than the newer car with the bells and whistles.

Perhaps that comment/comparison pertains to boats as well.

I think you meant Loverboy CD.... I switched out the Journey CD to see if it improves my WS-6's trap speeds in the 1/4. I hate Loverboy, but if I pick up .1 seconds in the 1/4, it's worth it.

Wait, that was a typo, you meant lower CG. My bad. Back to discussing old resin buckets.

your in luck, loverboy is playing st clair this year.....

loverboy?

I must be way too young - wtf are you old fellars talking about sidetracking my thread:lolhit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8G5pBZ5CI

Lovin' every minute of it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCQCaLuSx0c

lol video came out 5 years before I was born...

:poopoo:

You and I are on the same page...........Jeremy's boat came to mind because it has traded hands a few times here on OSO and it was a very recognizable boat. 46 RR "American Bada$$" has had similar results on the sales market though. This is where a 38-42 ft. 525/bravo boat becomes more user friendly at only marginally lower speeds as long as your headers don't crack and blow the motors and you buy a pair of XR's because you pounded on the boat. Even a 700 sci boat is more user friendly on the checkbook though a few of those have blown apart also.