hey Pier 57 does that all the time! :D

I will private message information to you for a 41' to Sea Trial in Buffalo, NY. as soon as you like.

You will understand and see for your self why The Apache's remain The boat to own.

You may also contact Mark McManus, The Apache Factory @ 239-454-1114.

"A 50 Nortech, 46 Rough Rider, or a 47/52 Outerlimits will run circles around a 41 Apache with equal power and in any water. "

Adam, Why would you look to these size boats to compare? Wouldn't it be a more fair comparison with the 41-43 size range? While I agree the new hulls are lighter and faster than the old heavy straight bottoms.... There are pros and cons to both I believe. When it is 5 plus true waves those fast boats won't be running circles around the old straight bottom--- not saying they won't do it and with less power-- but I don't think they will pass.
And yes some people like and will pay for old school....

Why would you look to these size boats to compare? Wouldn't it be a more fair comparison with the 41-43 size range?

I picked these size boats because with the current market you can go buy these boats that are 10 feet longer than an Apache and run the same speeds or faster with less power, which means less maintenance, and on top of it, most of them also have a full cabin. Hell, I like my 50 Nortech but technology has even advanced since that bottom was designed and Outerlimits can most likely build a 60 footer that would outrun my boat with the same power.

This thread is about what a 41 is worth, so as a buyer, why restrict yourself.

I think what always kept the resale up on the 41's until recently was the fact that if you wanted a full stagger, #6 boat with big power, you either paid $200K for an older Apache, or dished out over a half million for a new stepped bottom boat. Now, with the market the way it is, you can go buy those newer technology boats for under $200k, so what does that do to the value of the Apaches? I know my Cig 42X with 1200's and dry sixes with a full cabin ran over 120mph and ended up bringing $150k........

Another common theme with these Apache owners is that their parts are worth their asking price, and these guys price their old carbureted blower engines/drives like its still 1995, come on $75k or $80K for a pair of 900's. Those will still be for sale of OSO when something new replaces the internet. Well I hate to tell them but here's what the parts are worth in todays market:

Dry sixes with gimbles $40K
Used 1200's with headers and trannies $40K
Trailer $5

That's only $85K, so what's the 30 year old hull worth is the magic question?????

And to really stir some feathers here, I think an equally powered Saber would kick Apaches A$$ all day......

I like your last sentence Adam. Those 41 sabers are as bad as it gets. I'd put those up against anything new or old.

Not sure why you quoted me regarding Pier 57 raising prices on inventory but I have been aboard a 41 Apache, albeit it was a tired 41 Apache. Boat was fine, but we weren't blowing through 5 ft waves at 80 mph. That being said, I left the next day on a 43 Nortech and it rode like a Cadillac back from the Bahamas.

When was the last time apache built a new boat? Would like to see what a new one in any size looked like new. Have asked this befor and some one said last year but no pic's of it.

What ever happened to the 41' Pantera?

thats not big water bro, sorry to disappoint you...

it won the first leg, then had electrical problems...

in the first leg it was out of sight too cuz it was so far ahead...

Apache Powerboats, they inspire intense passion. Time for a closer look, heres a 41 side by side pleasure. Factory maintained since new. Stunning powerboat, clear calm day, great video. Let's enjoy this 41 Apache.....it's a beauty!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUEyso8vPBM

zaclty = lower coefficient of drag

you would have to strap me to a chair and tape my eyes open to watch that lame azz band

dont the saber use the 41 apache molds?

Here's what new technology looks like, cruising at 120mph with the radio on in a 42 Cig. A 41 Apache would need an Apollo rocket shoved up its a$$ to do 120mph.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-V6ZveEGXk

.... .. / .- -.. .- -- / .... . .-. . / .. ... / .- -. / --- .-.. -.. / .- .--. .- -.-. .... . / .--. --- .-- . .-. -... --- .- - / ...- .. -.. . --- / ..-. --- .-. / -.-- --- ..- .-. / ...- .. . .-- .. -. --. / .--. .-.. . .- ... ..- .-. . .-.-.- / . -. .--- --- -.-- / . -..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQ3cl9UR2w

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are! :D

Adam -- OK, that all makes sense in terms of value -- and yes that was OP's question...at the same time I know I wouldn't want to own a 50 ft boat... a lot of people think a 38 is too big for the boating they do. There does seem to be that movement away from big power as the newer lighter -- better bottom boats are hitting high speeds with mild merc power. but the guy who wants the nostalgia will pay a premium for that 30 year old hull...

judging from the classifieds.......that "premium" isn't happening! :daz:

Whe need 2 rambunctious owners one with each brand to get together on a real snotty day to put this to bed. :daz:

Forgot to mention the 47 Fountain w trips. To the worst detractor at least 42-43 "real" feet long. Hell of a good rough water ride.

47 Kemosabe

Those 47s are simply "sick!".....

The 2 rough condition 38 TS Top Guns recently listed will be gone before the next Apache sells.......Moral of the story......smaller power/twin step stuff is more appealing to today's performance boater.

I mean no disrepect But thats your opinion. I for example will take my lil 28 Apache out in the rough and last longer then a bunch of newer tech boats. Just saying. I have out ran many larger, newer boats before in the rough and love doing it every time.

The best of the best V bottom. Run that beast against a 50 Nortech, OL, 46 RR, or anything else in the same size in REAL 5-7 not what today's crowd call them and see who will lead the pack. I've been in all of the boats I mentioned and trust me there' no comparison. Notice who you always see running in the REAL rough water. People that own these could careless if they sell or not, hense some owners have 2 or more. I'm not saying they don't need BIG power to run because they do but there's nothing like the sound of twin 1100-1300 whining and jumping from one wave to another that is 100+ ft apart. The industry now days has changed. No one but very few care about running 90-100 mph in REAL 5-7+. Some love running in the rough and some care about going 150+ and for that reason they have Skater and Apache (Ron) . I can't mention how many times I have out ran "new" technology with our old 38 stag gun in REAL 5-7 or even REAL 4-5's. These boats are a beast and unless you have been on one you won't understand. "302 sport" have you been on a 41 or 47 before ;if so which one ? Your 42X doesn't count as that is a TS .I recall you calling me 5 month ago about my stag 38 because you wanted a boat that can handle REAL rough and still I will admit the 41 or 47 is bigger monster than mine. For REAL rough these boat are the best. PERIOD. Ride one in REAL rough water and than comment.

I feel a race for bragging rights is in order....47 apache, 46 cig, 47 fountain, ...have at her

that 42 cig had 1350s in it dude... that is having a rocket shoved up its azz...

if a pair of engines with 1000 ponies will make a 41 apache run 100 what would one run with 1350s 116mph, take them
both out in some serious big water and the 1 ft shorter apache would eat that cigs lunch

Indeed they are. It has been stated often and agreed upon by many of the most knowledgable Apache guys that Kemosabe has the best balance and most nimble handling of the 47 group. I don't believe the horsepower is ultra high (less than 1000 per engine?). It is a VISSM Apache and runs rough seas with seemingly effortless grace. A beautiful Apache Powerboat. I'm sure it's over 20 years old and still getting it done. The longevity is amazing, especially for the water conditions they run in. In NJ when it's rough out the Apache Powerboats are tearing it up. Quite a few Apache Powerboats here.

Ratman I think I have to call BS on this one my friend.. I have to believe that both those hulls are within a very few percent of differences in design and the only determining speed factor in the rough might be one is built heavier than thee other . Tougher. ? I think both of them would beat 3 men to death hours before either of them had a structural failure.

OHH and LENGTH is KING in any BIG WATER if you can keep the weight in a correct balance of COG and the hull built light but structurally resilient enough to absorb the pounding of the waves rather than reflecting those loads to the passengers.

I think there is a fine line between a potato chip and a wet burrito.

Wasn't it NORDSGOG that beat up on the whole offshore world with the than lengthened 39 Cigarette years before the Apache. I could be wrong known to have been before.

Boys, boys, boys......chill out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every Apache is worth exactly what one buyer and one seller agree it is worth, every other opinion is meaningless.

My choice to match any Apache in big water is a Magnum. http://magnummarine.com/history/
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Bring back the fountain vs cig thread
Add apache... AND, more skanks
The winner is...

Tonto

I think the Fountains ended up having a slight advantage in that thread due to sea cows flocking to the Cigs. I believe the addition of Apache would alter that outcome however. Since a higher percentage of Apache boats lack a swim platform the cows would have a difficult time boarding. If they did manage to get on board they would quickly fall off due to not being able to fit down into the holes of the 3 and 6 pack cockpits they typically have leaving the power to weight ratio intact. Meanwhile the cows would have no problem dragging themselves up the Fountains integrated platforms and rolling into the pleasure cockpits. This would take away the weight advantage of the Fountain. Now on equal footing weight wise the typically more powerful Apache would walk the Fountain. In rough seas the Fountain might even sustain some damage due to the lighter layup and added weight.

Best 41 Apache. PERIOD Followed by flying falcon

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