what engines are in it in the videos? thx rm

those videos sure make AV look like its running like a scalded dog... coming around the cats and the engines singing on limiters in and out...

Where's snake dance?

Hah, since having the kid, I have done a poor job on saving pics. Let me look, I should have some saved... :)
Jr.

Congratulations on the kid, and thanks for taking a look.
Ed

I'll take a combo of well built fiberglass, with a modern bottom, thank you very much! With twin 750hp Potter motors, I get 110+ mph and as far as rough water performance....
The last picture was taken from my boat looking back. That's a 40' Skater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPB2...c8i2vgFjAA5Eo_

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Here are some I found of Totonka

Round 2

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Round 3

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I was at St Claire Fri night at the pre-race party when Kemosabe rolled by, turned around and went back by, My GF's jaw dropped and she said "how long is THAT??", the last time I heard her say that was our third date!! But seriously, Fng baddazz boat!!!

Round 4
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Last Few

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LOL! I knew you would have a pic or 20! Chief engines, RM will enjoy that.
Thank You J Bonz, pics liven up a thread.

V-8 Power Mag Apache Article. I gotta ask, Is that Phil L. in the Miami boat show picture?


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Last time it was wet?

Morning Jay, she's not been wet in a while, 2 toddlers now is very busy, you know the program. She may get put back together this winter, it's time. Hope all is well. In most of the race videos she's running Mercury 1000's. War hawk runs over 100, that unit only read happened to read up to 99.9, it' s flawless.

Most are C&G 850's. (572 ci), rebuilt first by Carolina Racing, later by Tom Earhart. Those motors ran 5,400 RPM's.

Key West '91 and Coco Beach '92 are Merc 1000's (540 ci). They ran 6,400 RPM.

The "scream" you hear came from Y-pipes, which went away when I changed to CMI Big-Tubes. Best sound was Mercs and Y-pipes, but only ran that combination a couple of times.

Of course, that was more than 20 years ago, so I may have some of this mixed up.

Believe it or not, all of those motors were quite reliable: only blew one in a race ( the first one with Mercs in Key West), and that was back when races were 155 miles long, not like today's little sprints.

Great thread on some legendary machines.

Ultimate Warrior Returns

Reviewing J Bonz posted pics and was struck by the 38 Cigarette long uplifted engine hatch.. Going from memory again.....there was a staggered 38, can't recall what drives, maybe called Under Pressure? Looked like this one????

I'm telling you, when Kemosabe rolled by Fri night at St Claire we were in AWE!!! My pockets arent that deep or I would have one!!!!

I had a multiple Apache owner tell me he has seen a 47 Apache turn a rich man into a poor man! :D

He currently owns 2 41s and a 47.......no it wasn't Chris Sunkin! :evilb:

That is amazing but if you think about these types of boats, most people like change and even if it is the same brand they like to get new ones. Add in the "interesting nature of employment" of company founder and I'm sure some of the original boat owners it wasn't going to be a "long term ownership model."

That was KW about 6 yrs ago or so. Carls (Cig) boat has 5's on it and it was sold and redone 2 yrs ago by a OSO member that lives in the Fort Myers area. I too have the twin boat to that but weights about 3k ponds less. From all 5 stag guns that one weight the most which was built to race in Argentina but never did.

Thanks for the info...I never saw a staggered TG in person.
Here's a quick old school rough water story....In 1988 I took a ride up the Hudson to West Point in my Firefox with some friends. Another buddy had his 28SS, also loaded with people. Nice scenic ride. On the way back when we got around Manhattan a headwind started howling and it was hell getting back to NJ. The Firefox and the 28SS were off plane working these 8 to 10 ft seas (near the VZ) making a slow, safe passage in the big water. Just under the VZ we were in the trough when a 41 Apache blasts over the wave caps above (25 yards away), followed by a couple of 38 Cigarettes! That was severely ballsy, especially the Cig guys, leaping atop those waves like that.The full length of those powerboats was airborne, plus, plus! Impressive. The wave height got smaller by degrees as we got closer to Jersey, when it got under 4 we pressed the throttles forward and got to horse shoe cove. The Apache and 38's were there partying and swimming for a long, long, time already. And that was that.

http://youtu.be/kwxorKnpnEI Could listen to the lambo's all day

Did I hear the announcer in above video say something about BEN KRAMER??

first 47

Does anyone still build a 47 or derivative like the chief 42 is of the 41?

Mcmanus can, or Saber can...

how does the 42 chief compare in the classifieds?

if someone doesn't mind run through the apache/ chief / Cherokee saga please.

The Apache Deep-V, a tremendous rough water performer.....

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...71778758,d.cWc


http://www.huntdesigns.com/deepv.htm

I think the 41 Apache is by far the most iconic offshore V bottom boat ever . If I had the dough I would own one . It has nothing to do with technology I personally think that old school look can't be beat. The one boat that comes close is a Cigarette Flat deck [ATTACH=CONFIG]527223[/ATTACH] . But then again who said I had to be objective . The one pictured is mine.
RG.

You just had to go there, didn't you......

http://westlancashirerecord.files.wo...n-of-worms.jpg

When was the last apache 41 built?

uninformed other than what little I know. have never seen a chief but I ran across a 28 Cherokee with a bandit 1000 hooked to a bravo in port st lucie florida. rigging looked better than 95% of boats... I don't know the history on bobby S, or eric. did all this happen after Ben Kramer went away?

is a chief an apache without Ben Kramer's blessing due to branding? really not clear lol.

btw- sorry rob lol

Did you get some engine work done recently? In post #21 you were only 700hp:party-smiley-004: I passed my alertness exam today, just bustin your balls 38 Donzi great setup no doubt.

Sorry for:hijack:

Some of the Apache's with the newer hardware are badazz resto-mods, love them.

Not hating on anyone or anything, but seriously, no one runs their new 41+ new tech rides in rough water?:bsflag: It is more likely that they aren't on the forums etc. We all know people with bad toys that don't even lurk, they just buy badazz stuff and enjoy it. I would also add that if the water really is Apache rough, as I like to call it, is there really anything to prove by pounding on the gear besides proving everything mechanical can be broken? People can be broken too or even worse. No sense in running in stupid rough water to prove one is really stupid. Should you need help you put others at risk to rescue, tow etc just not necessary. Sorry to sound like a nanny, but unless there is a trophy, sanctioning body etc what is being proved to anyone? Who cares. None of believe each others rough water stories anyway. I say 50 in 6's and all of us say BS, not even on plane in 3's you wimp in our heads:lolhit:

It is funny though how many use the Apache as the standard for rough water performance! A true legend like Fountain and speed:poopoo:

cool read...thx

" I would also add that if the water really is Apache rough, as I like to call it, is there really anything to prove by pounding on the gear besides proving everything mechanical can be broken? People can be broken too or even worse. No sense in running in stupid rough water to prove one is really stupid. Should you need help you put others at risk to rescue, tow etc just not necessary."

dayum brah, you sound like my mother... btw i run with scissors... a lot

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