I have no idea how early release works. But, I have to assume that an escape attempt is a slight "blemish" on your record that would hinder your chances.

Cleaned my BOX

Ok after pouring over many other threads I get that the guy that was chosen by the goverment to run Bens Apache was Macmanus and he is the one that bought the Bens right to the Apache name after the U.S. goverment assured Mr Sacennti it would not be sold.

And than in 2005 there was a deal in which some investors in Indiana were teaming Chief and Bob Sacennti with Active Thunder and they built 1 new 41 Chief before the investors were found out to not have secured their investment sources.

So now I am on a old thread from 2004 that Steve built a new crisp 41 Apache deck plug and molds and some guy named Thad bought the Apache name from someone and wants to sue everyone.

LOT'S OF QUESTIONS, TOO MANY ANSWERS -
Do you believe that the US Government assured somebody that they could by the rights to a trademark of a business they were not part of? I doubt that. The government doesn't assure us of anything except that we will pay taxes. McManus was in charge of the Apache operation under Ben's instructions and was directly responsible for the growth of the Apache product (with Ben's cash) and if he was made the golden boy, it seems to be logical that he would have first right of refusal to buy the name, after all he built the name into a big business under both Ben's and the US Governments ownership.

This story just never ends. But look at it from a 10,000 foot view and its clear who was who, and who wasn't. When Ben was arrested, who was in charge of what?

Look at the oil pressure drop on the Port side motor at about 20 seconds into the video !!

Could it be he was just shutting that motor down? Not really a big deal just something I noticed.

That and the fuel gauge

Yes, off plane being shut down.
A beautiful full pleasure 41.

If I told you I have spoke with someone who witnessed the murder would you believe me or the person that I spoke with?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...77648437,d.cWc

Escape Details

Ben Kramer and Marren were incarcerated together in the Williamson County Jail in Marion, Illinois, awaiting trial on related drug trafficking charges. In October 1988, Ben Kramer was found guilty of conducting a continuing criminal enterprise and conspiracy to distribute more than 1,000 pounds of marijuana, for which he was sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. Following the conclusion of the proceedings in Illinois, Ben Kramer was scheduled to be transferred to prison in Florida to face charges of RICO conspiracy, marijuana importation, and filing a false tax return.



In late October 1988, Marren wrote two letters to Stevens, with whom Marren had worked prior to the events pertinent to this case. Marren asked Stevens to come to Illinois to see him in prison, advised Stevens that he should plan to go to Miami, Florida, after he visited Marren, requested that Stevens bring his pilot's license, informed Stevens that all of his expenses would be paid, and emphasized the importance of keeping their meeting a secret. After receiving Marren's letters, Stevens went to Illinois. During their visit, Marren pointed out Ben Kramer to Stevens as Kramer walked by. Marren also supplied Ben Kramer's brother, Marc, with a letter of introduction to Stevens.

Stevens met Marc Kramer in Illinois, and they then traveled together to Miami, where they began to plan Ben Kramer's escape from prison and transport to Columbia. While in Miami, Stevens took reconnaissance photographs of prisons where Ben Kramer was likely to be held awaiting trial, began looking for a helicopter, and began taking lessons to learn to fly a helicopter. All of his expenses were paid by Marc Kramer. Stevens eventually located and purchased a helicopter and a twin-engine airplane. The plane sustained wing damage during a routine maintenance operation, so he purchased a second plane. Stevens paid for the aircraft with approximately $135,000 in cash provided to him by Marc Kramer. Stevens continued to take flying lessons from the initial planning stages of the escape until the plan was put into effect. Marc and Ben Kramer maintained telephone contact during this time, often utilizing coded phrases in their conversations.

After Ben Kramer was tried and sentenced in Illinois, he was transported to Florida to face trial. He was held in E Unit at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Miami ("MCC").


The plan developed by the appellants called for Ben Kramer to be lifted out of MCC by helicopter.2 Stevens was to fly the helicopter to the prison and land in the exercise yard, where Ben Kramer would be waiting. Stevens was to then fly him to a nearby car containing a false compartment in which he would be hidden. Zona, an employee of a business owned by Ben Kramer, was scheduled to drive the car to a safe house Zona had rented in Crystal River, Florida. The twin-engine airplane, which had been fitted with extra fuel tanks, was located near the safe house. As the final part of the escape, Stevens was to fly Ben Kramer to Columbia.


On April 17, 1989, Ben Kramer spoke by telephone with Marc Kramer. Marc Kramer then telephoned Stevens and directed him to put the plan into action. Stevens flew the helicopter to MCC and landed in the E Unit exercise yard. Ben Kramer was able to get into the helicopter, but as it lifted off, the helicopter began to spin, its tail hit the concertina wire, and it catapulted over the fence, crashing in the prison grounds outside the exercise yard. Both Ben Kramer and Stevens suffered extensive injuries in the crash

Apache Gettin It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niwjMgDl02k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDV7vHF2G4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQ3cl9UR2w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6vdTEChas

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Look on this link on the right for 1.2 million dollar Apaches and the other is

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