Ben Kramer to be released!?!?
10-20-2014 | 05:48 PM
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I have been thinking about the Kilpatrick boat......it must be a Squadron XII built by Aronow but rigged by Bobby S at Race HQ. So this would be a stretched version of the Cig 38, which Don was then going to evolve into what has become the Apache 41and totally seperate to the 38 mould which Bobby S was having built which Charley now owns??????? Sound about right?????
My 38 which was a JC Simon design, was built by Banana as a 33 but at the same time by Coyote as a 34. Sonic added a swim platform and called it a 42.
The 39 mold I have now we will build a 36 now. The mold was formerly used to build a 36 as a center console, that is still in production.
My original 24 Cigarette molds were stretched and widened to make the Magnum 63. LOL Just kidding! But the Magnum 53 was made by taking the Cary 32 that Aronow called ...... The Cigarette in 1969.....measurements and multiplying them by 1.5 and building them out.
10-20-2014 | 06:44 PM
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Another icon that was murdered in the same era.
Another icon that was murdered in the same era.
10-21-2014 | 03:35 AM
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Correct, the Apache was a Squadron XII. Technically it was the same size as a 38 Cig which was a 37.6. The famous 41 came from the 39 that was stretched to build the step deck before it was the bubble deck.
My 38 which was a JC Simon design, was built by Banana as a 33 but at the same time by Coyote as a 34. Sonic added a swim platform and called it a 42.
The 39 mold I have now we will build a 36 now. The mold was formerly used to build a 36 as a center console, that is still in production.
My original 24 Cigarette molds were stretched and widened to make the Magnum 63. LOL Just kidding! But the Magnum 53 was made by taking the Cary 32 that Aronow called ...... The Cigarette in 1969.....measurements and multiplying them by 1.5 and building them out.
My 38 which was a JC Simon design, was built by Banana as a 33 but at the same time by Coyote as a 34. Sonic added a swim platform and called it a 42.
The 39 mold I have now we will build a 36 now. The mold was formerly used to build a 36 as a center console, that is still in production.
My original 24 Cigarette molds were stretched and widened to make the Magnum 63. LOL Just kidding! But the Magnum 53 was made by taking the Cary 32 that Aronow called ...... The Cigarette in 1969.....measurements and multiplying them by 1.5 and building them out.
Interestingly, last year we had one of the two bubble deck 39's on its trailer in my friends shop, next to his race Cig 35'. You could see that the 39 was a stretched version of the 35 because the spray rails on the 35 are slightly different on the Pt side to the Stbd side where they join at the bow. We were surprised to see that it is exactly the same on the 39, which told us that they must have come from the same tooling. I meant to check whether this was in fact translated through to the Apache 41 but kinda forgot about the whole thing until just now.
Charlie, are you going to OFF this year? I told you a story once about my father with the Magnum 28' that sank in the CTC race in '68..........he is going to OFF this year with Jeff Hall, it would be good if you guys could meet up......
Anyway, someone was talking about some Ben guy..........????
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10-21-2014 | 07:31 AM
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Very interesting, thank you Charlie. It is all very convoluted but I do find it fascinating!
Interestingly, last year we had one of the two bubble deck 39's on its trailer in my friends shop, next to his race Cig 35'. You could see that the 39 was a stretched version of the 35 because the spray rails on the 35 are slightly different on the Pt side to the Stbd side where they join at the bow. We were surprised to see that it is exactly the same on the 39, which told us that they must have come from the same tooling. I meant to check whether this was in fact translated through to the Apache 41 but kinda forgot about the whole thing until just now.
Charlie, are you going to OFF this year? I told you a story once about my father with the Magnum 28' that sank in the CTC race in '68..........he is going to OFF this year with Jeff Hall, it would be good if you guys could meet up......
Anyway, someone was talking about some Ben guy..........????
Interestingly, last year we had one of the two bubble deck 39's on its trailer in my friends shop, next to his race Cig 35'. You could see that the 39 was a stretched version of the 35 because the spray rails on the 35 are slightly different on the Pt side to the Stbd side where they join at the bow. We were surprised to see that it is exactly the same on the 39, which told us that they must have come from the same tooling. I meant to check whether this was in fact translated through to the Apache 41 but kinda forgot about the whole thing until just now.
Charlie, are you going to OFF this year? I told you a story once about my father with the Magnum 28' that sank in the CTC race in '68..........he is going to OFF this year with Jeff Hall, it would be good if you guys could meet up......
Anyway, someone was talking about some Ben guy..........????
The famous meeting of the strakes on the bow. Aronow used to laugh at all the new designs that came out as we walked through the pits or a boat show. He would walk up to the bow of the new design and simply point at the strakes. If they are going to take the time and trouble to splash my design, the least they could do would be to correct it here. I am not sure if he had that put in the design on purpose, just to entertain himself later. His method was to keep going with new ideas that seemed better, until he found something he liked. One year he showed up at almost every race with a new race boat, or a variation of a former design made into a new race boat. He knew whatever everyone else was copying, he had already improved on so he wasn't too concerned.
10-21-2014 | 07:36 AM
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JC Simon design 38 added swim platform by Sonic became a .....42
Apache 39 design that I am changing the deck design on to include a bustle similar to Outerlimits will become a 42
10-21-2014 | 08:23 AM
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Yes, to your OFF question, I will be there on Friday and Saturday for sure. I want to get my Blue Water Warriors book back from Jeff's brother, I have to send him an email. If I forget ask your dad to remind him to bring it with him to OFF.
The famous meeting of the strakes on the bow. Aronow used to laugh at all the new designs that came out as we walked through the pits or a boat show. He would walk up to the bow of the new design and simply point at the strakes. If they are going to take the time and trouble to splash my design, the least they could do would be to correct it here. I am not sure if he had that put in the design on purpose, just to entertain himself later. His method was to keep going with new ideas that seemed better, until he found something he liked. One year he showed up at almost every race with a new race boat, or a variation of a former design made into a new race boat. He knew whatever everyone else was copying, he had already improved on so he wasn't too concerned.
The famous meeting of the strakes on the bow. Aronow used to laugh at all the new designs that came out as we walked through the pits or a boat show. He would walk up to the bow of the new design and simply point at the strakes. If they are going to take the time and trouble to splash my design, the least they could do would be to correct it here. I am not sure if he had that put in the design on purpose, just to entertain himself later. His method was to keep going with new ideas that seemed better, until he found something he liked. One year he showed up at almost every race with a new race boat, or a variation of a former design made into a new race boat. He knew whatever everyone else was copying, he had already improved on so he wasn't too concerned.
I'm in regular contact with Jeff, I'll email him now.........shame I can't come along to OFF, very jealous!!
All the best!
Christian
