Ben Kramer to be released!?!?
10-19-2014 | 05:39 PM
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No it was not a stretch as the 39 does not have the famous crease in the side of the boat. No other 39's were made by Bobby before I bought the mold and yes it was used for some other layups one of which has proven to be a very good 36 foot center console. The mold was blocked down for that size.....36.
The concept for doing that .......blocking down to a 36 was a pretty smart idea and we intend to do the same and come out with a 36 also. There is a hint in here Tommy.
The concept for doing that .......blocking down to a 36 was a pretty smart idea and we intend to do the same and come out with a 36 also. There is a hint in here Tommy.
10-19-2014 | 07:11 PM
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The cc is half done and never got delivered.
Voice was in the process of buying Saber but never finished before he went down. He never used Saber to do anything with boats. He screwed me in many ways I prefer not to rehash
Saber boats bought the 41 mold many years ago legally, how they have come in possession of the 47 is another matter entirely.
Saber is still in business, recently built a 28
I have nothing to do with them any more and wish no association.
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10-19-2014 | 10:08 PM
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The former owner of ww traded it in to saber to build a cc. Vorce bought it from Saber but never paid Doug so the money for the cc was not there. He then got several bogus loans against ww and when he went down the bank got the boat, not Saber.
The cc is half done and never got delivered.
Voice was in the process of buying Saber but never finished before he went down. He never used Saber to do anything with boats. He screwed me in many ways I prefer not to rehash
Saber boats bought the 41 mold many years ago legally, how they have come in possession of the 47 is another matter entirely.
Saber is still in business, recently built a 28
I have nothing to do with them any more and wish no association.
NK
The cc is half done and never got delivered.
Voice was in the process of buying Saber but never finished before he went down. He never used Saber to do anything with boats. He screwed me in many ways I prefer not to rehash
Saber boats bought the 41 mold many years ago legally, how they have come in possession of the 47 is another matter entirely.
Saber is still in business, recently built a 28
I have nothing to do with them any more and wish no association.
NK
Sorry for bringing all this old chit up . Just curiosity.
Yea I finally found a thread that mentions that Doug had bought the 41 mold at the government auction of Ben's Apache company.
Sucks what happened at Saber , great guys I met them when they were building their very 1st 28 many years ago.
Your 21GT is beyond Awesome . So whats the next work of art to come?
Did you go to FHN or FHC ? I am a graduate of FHN 1982.
10-20-2014 | 08:06 AM
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No it was not a stretch as the 39 does not have the famous crease in the side of the boat. No other 39's were made by Bobby before I bought the mold and yes it was used for some other layups one of which has proven to be a very good 36 foot center console. The mold was blocked down for that size.....36.
The concept for doing that .......blocking down to a 36 was a pretty smart idea and we intend to do the same and come out with a 36 also. There is a hint in here Tommy.
The concept for doing that .......blocking down to a 36 was a pretty smart idea and we intend to do the same and come out with a 36 also. There is a hint in here Tommy.
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10-20-2014 | 12:06 PM
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Very interesting thread here, what I don't understand is where Jerry Kilparticks 39 came from if it didn't come from the mould that you have Charlie? I had also thought that the Saber 41 was taken from a splash.................I see both are wrong now!!
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In Mr Saccenti's quote that the original old 41 molds that Ben had were auctioned off to a company in Ohio that was advertising 1/2 price Apaches , That company must have been Saber ,and they spent 3 months straightening the hull bottom of the 41 mold.
I have yet to find much more information about the 47 mold other than that yes people have seen it and Saber has it , but I guess there is some bad feelings about how it was acquired.
WOW as the Hull turns in this Industry
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10-20-2014 | 12:19 PM
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I have been thinking about the Kilpatrick boat......it must be a Squadron XII built by Aronow but rigged by Bobby S at Race HQ. So this would be a stretched version of the Cig 38, which Don was then going to evolve into what has become the Apache 41and totally seperate to the 38 mould which Bobby S was having built which Charley now owns??????? Sound about right?????
10-20-2014 | 12:39 PM
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I have been thinking about the Kilpatrick boat......it must be a Squadron XII built by Aronow but rigged by Bobby S at Race HQ. So this would be a stretched version of the Cig 38, which Don was then going to evolve into what has become the Apache 41and totally seperate to the 38 mould which Bobby S was having built which Charley now owns??????? Sound about right?????
All Clear Now?
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