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Jupiter Sunsation 10-16-2015 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4366710)
He may have had a prayer if it weren't for the hollywood helicopter escapade..... That probably sealed his fate right there

The authorities tend to frown that type of plan! :D

You would have to wonder about a couple of things:

1. Is there ANY real money left and could he spend it? Storage unit with 10 million in it? Safety deposit box full of gold? The authorities would be on him for years waiting to pounce if he showed up in a new Bentley, spending money like he used to.
2. Would life be any fun for him after being locked up for 25+ years? So he gets released, he is broke 60+ years old and it is a new world. Telling old racing/smuggling stories isn't exactly resume material!

Here is a Maxim article on Lanier's release (not sure if it has been posted here)
http://www.maxim.com/cars/racing/art...-drug-smuggler

Jupiter Sunsation 10-16-2015 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by SABER28 (Post 4364805)
even if Kramer had aronow killed ( I don't buy it) he would have been paroled by now.

hes got life for the rico statue.

I read the Speed Kills book and the other one........Don had plenty of people that would want to kill him but Ben K. was definitely on the top of that list and he was impulsive enough to actually do it. His ego was huge back then, money was flowing faster than he could spend it and he must have really thought he was untouchable by the law (believing lawyers/bribes could get him off).

onesickpantera 10-16-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Comanche3Six (Post 4366704)
I'm not a lawyer, I'm not an expert.
Can you serve State time in a Federal Prison? Probably not. What that means is if his Federal bid expires he could be shipped to State prison and do time for the Aronow charge and the attempted escape charge. Seen it done, but the opposite way to Terrance Karl Alden, from State to Federal. You play serious, they play serious.

"Kramer pleaded no contest to manslaughter in 1996 and agreed to a 19-year sentence to run concurrent to a life federal prison term for marijuana smuggling."

Comanche3Six 10-16-2015 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by onesickpantera (Post 4366819)
"Kramer pleaded no contest to manslaughter in 1996 and agreed to a 19-year sentence to run concurrent to a life federal prison term for marijuana smuggling."

Seem's all that's left is the life sentence and the attempted escape.

Canuck B Crazy 10-16-2015 12:50 PM

The government can be stupid. If he has some money stashed away, he could live comfortable. Maybe at a dentists level. Not running out and buying a mansion and toys. But low key and comfortable is easy.

UR2late 10-16-2015 03:51 PM

Bring it all ran concurrent guess old boy will be out.

Canuck B Crazy 10-16-2015 07:49 PM

Actually if Kramer was smart he would have money stashed away. Won't get into too many details but in places like Switzerland and Luxembourg, bankers will front bank accounts and even stock trades in their own name for other people. They charge around 8%, a lot less then paying income taxes on the money. There are ways to secretly still have control over the money but its in another name. Switzerland may give up an American, but they'll never give up a Swiss citizen. Its pretty easy to hide cash, just need the right people.

Keith Atlanta 10-16-2015 08:02 PM

The 19 years is up.

Most prisons are setting free traffikers (if it was marijuana)

tommymonza 10-16-2015 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by Canuck B Crazy (Post 4367082)
Actually if Kramer was smart he would have money stashed away. Won't get into too many details but in places like Switzerland and Luxembourg, bankers will front bank accounts and even stock trades in their own name for other people. They charge around 8%, a lot less then paying income taxes on the money. There are ways to secretly still have control over the money but its in another name. Switzerland may give up an American, but they'll never give up a Swiss citizen. Its pretty easy to hide cash, just need the right people.

That whole deal went out the window 7 years ago when the US cracked down on UBS.

i worked for very wealthy Swiss for many years.

Jupiter Sunsation 10-16-2015 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Canuck B Crazy (Post 4367082)
Actually if Kramer was smart he would have money stashed away. Won't get into too many details but in places like Switzerland and Luxembourg, bankers will front bank accounts and even stock trades in their own name for other people. They charge around 8%, a lot less then paying income taxes on the money. There are ways to secretly still have control over the money but its in another name. Switzerland may give up an American, but they'll never give up a Swiss citizen. Its pretty easy to hide cash, just need the right people.

When you are young and making millions every month..........you never "stash" money away for the future because you think you can just bring over another load to replenish the coffers! That was the attitude with the race team as well. :eek:


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