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NASCAT 02-23-2015 12:50 PM

pics from today
 
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Rigging progress since my Miami BS visit

bill63 02-23-2015 12:57 PM

Nice !!!

NASCAT 02-23-2015 12:59 PM

Gaining on it!

As best as I can tell, the folks at Nor-tech are staying after it pretty steady & mine isn't the only boat in that stage.

Sportboats 02-23-2015 01:12 PM

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NASCAT 02-23-2015 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Sportboats (Post 4269261)
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Mark- Just to clarify what we discussed this weekend & before I commit 100%, you said if I buy 2- new Merc 350's w/ 5 yr warranty, I get the 3rd Merc 350 free, CORRECT?
:party-smiley-004:

Sportboats 02-23-2015 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4269269)
Mark- Just to clarify what we discussed this weekend & before I commit 100%, you said if I buy 2- new Merc 350's w/ 5 yr warranty, I get the 3rd Merc 350 free, CORRECT?
:party-smiley-004:

Was that when we were flying home on Mr. Hendrick's G4 jet, or when JJ was driving me around around the track in Daytona this past weekend?

NASCAT 02-23-2015 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Sportboats (Post 4269282)
Was that when we were flying home on Mr. Hendrick's G4 jet, or when JJ was driving me around around the track in Daytona this past weekend?

The answer is YES!!
Hope you enjoyed shadowing a day in my life at the track!

Sportboats 02-23-2015 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4269304)
The answer is YES!!
Hope you enjoyed shadowing a day in my life at the track!

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NASCAT 02-23-2015 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Sportboats (Post 4269311)
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I told you to use sunblock! 20+ years experience talking!

Sportboats 03-03-2015 11:09 AM

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I wonder what will be going here?

NASCAT 03-03-2015 11:15 AM

I see a cut out for the dive ladder! :party-smiley-004:

Cash Bar 03-03-2015 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by Sportboats (Post 4273273)
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I wonder what will be going here?

3 of these is my guess. :hitfan::hitfan:


http://youtu.be/y5ejwRj9t1Q

NASCAT 03-03-2015 04:09 PM

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A few photos from earlier today courtesy of Mark of SportBoats Marine.

Very pleased w/ the rigging workmanship.

Progress remains steady & on schedule even though I've thrown Nor-Tech a change order or two. Dealer & manufacturer have been super accommodating not to mention made suggestions on their own that resulted in more work but will result in a better finished product. I am very appreciative of them looking out for my best interests throughout this build process as I don't have a 10th of the industry experience they have. Many would just give you exactly what you asked for without saying a word knowing you were headed down the wrong path. That is not the type of relationship I have w/ SportBoats or Nor-Tech, it goes way beyond 3 parties engaged in a transaction as a buyer, seller & manufacturer. I haven't a clue how many boats Sportboats has sold nor Nor-Tech built but I can tell you that the passion to deliver a 1st class product is still there.

Biggest hurdle we have ahead of us is the arrival of the engines. Merc production is Wide A$$ Open, shipping new Verado's approx 6 weeks from order date.

thirdchildhood 03-03-2015 05:06 PM

Congrats, Nascat. You can't go wrong with a Nor-Tech. :)

bill63 03-03-2015 05:54 PM

Looks great and that change order is the right order !!! Those pixs are getting me excited to build another.

fastdonzi 03-03-2015 06:51 PM

"Change Order" The new name ??

fastdonzi 03-03-2015 06:54 PM

What are the keys that seem to be hanging on the inside??

kickin32 03-03-2015 08:43 PM

Is it me, in post #253 1st pic I only see two shifters I think one is missing????

Great Looking Boat , Congrats

Double Rigged 03-03-2015 09:04 PM

The center engine follows one or the others depending on how you are manuvering. They do not use 3 levers anymore unless you request livorsi or aftermarket shifters.
The keys on the inside are probably because they use start/stop switches on the dash.
More security and it hides the large ugly keys.

kickin32 03-03-2015 09:08 PM

Ok Thanks

NASCAT 03-03-2015 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by bill63 (Post 4273450)
Looks great and that change order is the right order !!! Those pixs are getting me excited to build another.

After an unbearable beating from my fellow OSO'rs I succummed to the pressure & upgraded to Triple 350's. My decision was strictly based on future resale value & not wanting to hear "I love everything about your boat BUT I wish it had 350's"

Thanks to all that challenged me to rethink this before it was too late.

Bill- If you ordered a new 39' what would you do differently beyond power options? Would you wait for the new larger CC?

NASCAT 03-03-2015 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by fastdonzi (Post 4273475)
"Change Order" The new name ??

More like.............

"Slightly Over Budget" or "Owen Lotsa $$$"

If you look at the close up helm pic in post #241 you'll see the triple push button start switches to the right of the steering column. Keys are hidden inside cabin but won't really be necessary. Once the keys are all on then the battery switch alone will allow me to control the power using the helm push start stop buttons. Basically I wanted to avoid having 3 separate keys on the dash all w/ floaties & tywrapped together. I'd like to believe there's a better solution that provides a much tidier look.

Sportboats insists I should only need 1 Mercury TDS Key to control all 3 engines & that it still could be hidden but Nor-Tech insisted on 3 keys. I think it's redundant but I just got done saying the folks at Nor-tech are smarter than I so I'm not going to assume I'm smarter all of a sudden. Ultimately I ended up w/ the cleaner look.

https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/...nt-system-tds/

NASCAT 03-03-2015 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Double Rigged (Post 4273547)
The center engine follows one or the others depending on how you are manuvering. They do not use 3 levers anymore unless you request livorsi or aftermarket shifters.
The keys on the inside are probably because they use start/stop switches on the dash.
More security and it hides the large ugly keys.

YEAH what Ron Said!

My understanding is that the new Merc Sport Controls can be configured thru the Vessel View.

Standard set up will be both sticks fwd all 3 engines fwd
both sticks rev all 3 engines rev
one stick fwd & 1 stick rev kills ctr engine & allows you to rotate using 2 outer engines.

My question is, say you lose an outer engine if you split the sticks & it kills the ctr engine in essence you'd only have one engine under these circumstances but I'm told if you encounter an engine issue what the sticks control can be reconfigured thru the vessel view. This is probably something worth learning so as to be able to overcome the default setup if needed.

Keep in mind the std Merc DTS Controls normally used with O/B applications only have 2 sticks & can control up to 5 engines just 2 sticks that combine fwd/rev & throttle input.

High Cetane 03-03-2015 11:11 PM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4273564)
YEAH what Ron Said!

My understanding is that the new Merc Sport Controls can be configured thru the Vessel View.

Standard set up will be both sticks fwd all 3 engines fwd
both sticks rev all 3 engines rev
one stick fwd & 1 stick rev kills ctr engine & allows you to rotate using 2 outer engines.

My question was say you lose an outer engine if you split the sticks & it kills the ctr engine in essence you'd only have one engine under these circumstances but I'm told if you encounter an engine issue what the sticks control can be reconfigured thru the vessel view. This is probably something worth learning so as to be able to overcome the default setup if needed.

Just spitballing here, as I'm familiar with another's triple control system's logic and was wondering if it applied here.
In the situation of losing an outer engine, the center would indeed default to Neutral as it still thinks its a "Slave".....until both the ignition on the "lost" wing engine and the center is shutoff...and then the center restarted.
At this point, the center becomes a "Master" and would take its control from the offline wing engine's control. I was curious if Merc did this as well.

Boat is looking great, Man...thanks for the updates.

bill63 03-04-2015 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4273555)
After an unbearable beating from my fellow OSO'rs I succummed to the pressure & upgraded to Triple 350's. My decision was strictly based on future resale value & not wanting to hear "I love everything about your boat BUT I wish it had 350's"

Thanks to all that challenged me to rethink this before it was too late.

Bill-t If you ordered a new 39' what would you do differently beyond power options? Would you wait for the new larger CC?

I would only change minor things, I travel with my boat betweeen Mich and Fla so a bigger CC with wider beam would be trouble. With the 10 ft beam on the 34/39 we sneek up and down I 75 without permits any wider and I think we would have troubles.

Knot 4 Me 03-04-2015 07:29 AM

This thing is going to be a hot rod with trip 350's. Nice upgrade!

stimleck 03-04-2015 12:06 PM

I'm interested in the thoughts of the OSO members on this thread on the performance of CC boats;
why is a vhull CC typically slower than an equal length performance v?
what are your thoughts on the improvement that an extra engine provides versus the drag/cost/etc...
What are your thoughts on the various hulls and their performance? some folks on here can tell you the exact speed of a well set up vhull power combo and they are all pretty similar but there seems to be a wide range with CC performance?
What do you think of the 7 marine performance versus cost?
What are your thoughts on 3 557's doing 8 mph more than 4 verado 350's on the mti for 200k more?

woodbr11 03-04-2015 12:10 PM

what are you expecting for speed with trip 350s?

NASCAT 03-04-2015 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by woodbr11 (Post 4273800)
what are you expecting for speed with trip 350s?

I'm told low 80's based on a Nor-tech 340 w/ the previous Mercury Racing Triple 350's

NASCAT 03-04-2015 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by stimleck (Post 4273795)
I'm interested in the thoughts of the OSO members on this thread on the performance of CC boats;
why is a vhull CC typically slower than an equal length performance v?
what are your thoughts on the improvement that an extra engine provides versus the drag/cost/etc...
What are your thoughts on the various hulls and their performance? some folks on here can tell you the exact speed of a well set up vhull power combo and they are all pretty similar but there seems to be a wide range with CC performance?
What do you think of the 7 marine performance versus cost?
What are your thoughts on 3 557's doing 8 mph more than 4 verado 350's on the mti for 200k more?

Stimleck- most of your questions are above my pay grade & knowledge base

A performance Vee is usually a 8' - 9' beam, most CC's 10' or wider
I'm not confident that any CC manufacturer builds their CC hull on KILL for speed when they need to have rough water capabilities especially if they offer a fish version.
My guess is overall boat weight will contribute to the boats performance so in addition to the build materials there's the equipment, live wells & pumps, the hard top vs T-Top, whats the top support made out of, how many rocket launchers, did you opt for a Gen or A/C?
IMO a pr of HIGH HP O/B's like the new Merc 400's will be more efficient & cost effective in comparison to triples but try to resell a twin engine performance or fish CC to anyone that boats in open water & I'm pretty sure they'll tell you they insist on triples.
Those that know a particular boat model hot setup probably have owned & or tested & tuned on more than one & over time, trial & error have gotten to where they are at. Doubtful anyone debuts a model, mounts big O/B power & achieves optimum speed & efficiency out of the box.

That's all I got, plenty of peeps smarter than I on the boards.

Ben Robertson would be a good resource to answer your questions but he's too busy trying to pay the bills to be surfing here.

bill63 03-04-2015 12:26 PM

T Top and windshield configurations make a hugh differance on speeds with Center Console's. I run with a 38 donzi cc and a 39 cig topfish with trip 300's we are all within a 1 or 2 mph of each other around 68-70 mph.

557's are nice but to heavy and too expensive. With Merc 350/400 now its makes for a easy decision. Dealer network for Mercury much better.

fastdonzi 03-05-2015 06:29 AM

I believe a CC weighs about 1/3 more than the like sized speedboat. usually a full liner (with lined compartments under that) then the console/T-Top-HardTop etc, and not really aero friendly...

NASCAT 03-05-2015 07:09 AM

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Check out the thickness of the Nor-Tech deck floor & gunwale cap. Things such as this really caught my attention during my first Nor-Tech facility visit. Construction details like this must contribute to the boats solid rough water capabilities. Also speaks volumes about the hulls efficiency based on the speeds they see.

sy goldberg 03-05-2015 07:14 AM

You need 3 400 MERCS to enhance your boating experience !

NASCAT 03-05-2015 07:16 AM

Sy- if you can insure my boat w/ Triple Merc 400's w/ identical coverage & for the same premium as the Merc 350's I'll think about it!

fastdonzi 03-05-2015 07:31 AM

Is the Floor Core Coosa....

Knot 4 Me 03-05-2015 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4274170)
Check out the thickness of the Nor-Tech deck floor & gunwale cap. Things such as this really caught my attention during my first Nor-Tech facility visit. Construction details like this must contribute to the boats solid rough water capabilities. Also speaks volumes about the hulls efficiency based on the speeds they see.

They are built like brick crap houses. Not a single creak, moan, groan, etc. from any component on the boat running in the LOTO slop. You can tell they are all built to run offshore to the canyons even though many will never leave inland lakes.

thirdchildhood 03-05-2015 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Knot 4 Me (Post 4274184)
They are built like brick crap houses. Not a single creak, moan, groan, etc. from any component on the boat running in the LOTO slop. You can tell they are all built to run offshore to the canyons even though many will never leave inland lakes.

It's been said that they can even tame Lake Erie. . . . .

NASCAT 03-05-2015 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fastdonzi (Post 4274181)
Is the Floor Core Coosa....

I can't answer that w/ 100% accuracy but appears to be glass. I know they do some kevlar reinforcing in the hull around the stringers.

Maybe Terry or Mark can chime in.

bill63 03-05-2015 07:59 AM

No wood in a Nortech .. Fiberglass,Kevlar,some foam and Penske board


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