24' Pantera vs. 24' SuperBoat
06-15-2011 | 12:34 PM
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I know the 24 Super will have 10 MPH on you with the same power. Most of them will already be rigged w/ k-planes and at least an add-on steering system.
The cabin on the Super is a little more usable than the 24 OL too. It's not huge, but you don't have to crawl under the dash either.
The cabin on the Super is a little more usable than the 24 OL too. It's not huge, but you don't have to crawl under the dash either.
Crawling under the dash is kind of a pain, but I basically just use the cabin for storage and the occasional over nighter.
As far as the ride goes they are both 24 degrees without a pad or steps so that should be about the same right?
06-15-2011 | 12:52 PM
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10mph just because of less weight? Jeez, that's a lot. My boat is supposed to weigh 4000 lbs.
Crawling under the dash is kind of a pain, but I basically just use the cabin for storage and the occasional over nighter.
As far as the ride goes they are both 24 degrees without a pad or steps so that should be about the same right?
Crawling under the dash is kind of a pain, but I basically just use the cabin for storage and the occasional over nighter.
As far as the ride goes they are both 24 degrees without a pad or steps so that should be about the same right?
Mine was a '98, it had a step and a v-shaped pad. I don't think the step really did much but the the pad did.
06-15-2011 | 02:16 PM
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I'm curious as to how my 24 outlaw stacks up to the likes of these hulls. I know it's a production boat vs a custom boat, but i've never ridden in a custom hull and don't know what the differences are. The reason for my question is that i'm planning on re-powering it and am not sure if it's worth it to stick with the baja. I would need larger tabs and external steering.
The Superboat, Pantera and Progression are hand laid, generally vacuum bagged and therefore significantly stronger and lighter. Progression even offers a 10 year hull warranty - even if you race it. Take a close look at the bottoms and you'll see a real difference with the Baja having radiused strakes, chines and transom to make them easier to get out of the mold. The other three have nice, sharp breaks in all of those places - leading to greater speed and sharper handling with the same power. Quite simply, any of those three brands will take a hell of a lot more pounding - not pass it on to the driver and passenges - and not be any worse for wear. I've seen enough Bajas with major structural repairs to know they just won't take as much.
To give you an idea of the difference in performance with similar power, I mentioned in an earlier reply that Laster has a stock Progression 24LD hull with a simple Whipple charged 502 Magnum. He's running 95 on GPS. Last year I ran a 25' Baja Outlaw with a Procharged 502. He just squeeked by me. I'd put him at about 78-79 MPH. (Although the driver said he was doing 87!) And you can toss Larry's boat into a 180 degree turn and about 50 MPH and it will simply dig in, turn like it was on rails (while ripping your head off) and accelerate in the other direction like a scalded cat. You just won't get that in the Baja.
06-15-2011 | 02:35 PM
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The Superboat, Pantera and Progression are hand laid, generally vacuum bagged and therefore significantly stronger and lighter. Progression even offers a 10 year hull warranty - even if you race it. Take a close look at the bottoms and you'll see a real difference with the Baja having radiused strakes, chines and transom to make them easier to get out of the mold. The other three have nice, sharp breaks in all of those places - leading to greater speed and sharper handling with the same power. Quite simply, any of those three brands will take a hell of a lot more pounding - not pass it on to the driver and passenges - and not be any worse for wear. I've seen enough Bajas with major structural repairs to know they just won't take as much.
To give you an idea of the difference in performance with similar power, I mentioned in an earlier reply that Laster has a stock Progression 24LD hull with a simple Whipple charged 502 Magnum. He's running 95 on GPS. Last year I ran a 25' Baja Outlaw with a Procharged 502. He just squeeked by me. I'd put him at about 78-79 MPH. (Although the driver said he was doing 87!) And you can toss Larry's boat into a 180 degree turn and about 50 MPH and it will simply dig in, turn like it was on rails (while ripping your head off) and accelerate in the other direction like a scalded cat. You just won't get that in the Baja.
06-15-2011 | 04:49 PM
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[QUOTE=Crossett;3430006]I guess that's kind of what I would expect. Although it's hard to gauge how important that is to me, I boat on a lake and never really plan to take it on the ocean.QUOTE]
Well, I do most of my boating on Lake Ontario and let me tell you, it can get rough out there! True, it's a different kind of rough than an ocean, but in some ways it's even harder on the boat because the waves are so much closer together. I've been on some smaller lakes where just the boat wakes will keep your dentist driving a Bimmer for years if you're in the wrong kind of boat. So yes, any of the three brands mentioned might be overkill for a smaller lake, but think of the difference in comfort!
Well, I do most of my boating on Lake Ontario and let me tell you, it can get rough out there! True, it's a different kind of rough than an ocean, but in some ways it's even harder on the boat because the waves are so much closer together. I've been on some smaller lakes where just the boat wakes will keep your dentist driving a Bimmer for years if you're in the wrong kind of boat. So yes, any of the three brands mentioned might be overkill for a smaller lake, but think of the difference in comfort!
06-16-2011 | 09:06 AM
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With no disrespect to Baja, there's a pretty big difference in construction when compared to any of the brands that have popped up in this post. Although an Outlaw is a fine entry level performance boat and feels pretty safe due to its high freeboard and decent deadrise, we're comparing apples to oranges here.
The Superboat, Pantera and Progression are hand laid, generally vacuum bagged and therefore significantly stronger and lighter. Progression even offers a 10 year hull warranty - even if you race it. Take a close look at the bottoms and you'll see a real difference with the Baja having radiused strakes, chines and transom to make them easier to get out of the mold. The other three have nice, sharp breaks in all of those places - leading to greater speed and sharper handling with the same power. Quite simply, any of those three brands will take a hell of a lot more pounding - not pass it on to the driver and passenges - and not be any worse for wear. I've seen enough Bajas with major structural repairs to know they just won't take as much.
To give you an idea of the difference in performance with similar power, I mentioned in an earlier reply that Laster has a stock Progression 24LD hull with a simple Whipple charged 502 Magnum. He's running 95 on GPS. Last year I ran a 25' Baja Outlaw with a Procharged 502. He just squeeked by me. I'd put him at about 78-79 MPH. (Although the driver said he was doing 87!) And you can toss Larry's boat into a 180 degree turn and about 50 MPH and it will simply dig in, turn like it was on rails (while ripping your head off) and accelerate in the other direction like a scalded cat. You just won't get that in the Baja.
The Superboat, Pantera and Progression are hand laid, generally vacuum bagged and therefore significantly stronger and lighter. Progression even offers a 10 year hull warranty - even if you race it. Take a close look at the bottoms and you'll see a real difference with the Baja having radiused strakes, chines and transom to make them easier to get out of the mold. The other three have nice, sharp breaks in all of those places - leading to greater speed and sharper handling with the same power. Quite simply, any of those three brands will take a hell of a lot more pounding - not pass it on to the driver and passenges - and not be any worse for wear. I've seen enough Bajas with major structural repairs to know they just won't take as much.
To give you an idea of the difference in performance with similar power, I mentioned in an earlier reply that Laster has a stock Progression 24LD hull with a simple Whipple charged 502 Magnum. He's running 95 on GPS. Last year I ran a 25' Baja Outlaw with a Procharged 502. He just squeeked by me. I'd put him at about 78-79 MPH. (Although the driver said he was doing 87!) And you can toss Larry's boat into a 180 degree turn and about 50 MPH and it will simply dig in, turn like it was on rails (while ripping your head off) and accelerate in the other direction like a scalded cat. You just won't get that in the Baja.
I have done things in my 24 Pantera that I have also done in the same spot with a 30' baja with twins, and the 24 pantera handled it better, may not have looked as graceful due to it's narrow beam, but trust me when I tell you a 24x 7 is more agile and forgiving of the rough water than a Baja, once you learn to drive it, and trust it
The Baja however is more forgiving for someone who wants to go out and cruise and not have to "Drive" the boat every moment, but be prepared to be caught off guard, because when that rogue one you didnt see comes rolling around, your gonna feel it.
06-16-2011 | 12:00 PM
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Well said,
I have done things in my 24 Pantera that I have also done in the same spot with a 30' baja with twins, and the 24 pantera handled it better, may not have looked as graceful due to it's narrow beam, but trust me when I tell you a 24x 7 is more agile and forgiving of the rough water than a Baja, once you learn to drive it, and trust it The Baja however is more forgiving for someone who wants to go out and cruise and not have to "Drive" the boat every moment, but be prepared to be caught off guard, because when that rogue one you didnt see comes rolling around, your gonna feel it.
I have done things in my 24 Pantera that I have also done in the same spot with a 30' baja with twins, and the 24 pantera handled it better, may not have looked as graceful due to it's narrow beam, but trust me when I tell you a 24x 7 is more agile and forgiving of the rough water than a Baja, once you learn to drive it, and trust it
The Baja however is more forgiving for someone who wants to go out and cruise and not have to "Drive" the boat every moment, but be prepared to be caught off guard, because when that rogue one you didnt see comes rolling around, your gonna feel it.
06-16-2011 | 12:14 PM
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Nice looking rig
