What's the deadrise on the progression 24? Are we talking apple's x3 or apple's apple's oranges? I'm going to be getting a sb or Pantera Hull to put all my junk into this fall. I love both mfg ' s and would be happy either way. But I slightly favor a Pantera. Just for subtle little differences.
I think it's all personal preference.
Whatever is available and affordable at the time will be my " better 24x7"

Progression uses a variable deadrise. Between the pad & the first set of lifting strakes is 24 degrees. From there to the next set is 23 degrees and from there to the outside chine is 22 degrees.

BTW: Laster (Charter Member here) has a 24' Progression with a Whipple charged 502. He's running 95 on GPS. And I should note that all of the boats mentioned in this post are rock solid, fast and capable of running hellacious water. I think it comes down to personal preferance and driving ability.

My father had a 24' Pantera, built new, which he had for about nine years, and that was my mother's favorite boat that my father owned, and I love Pantera boats, but I would want to ride in 24' Progression over a 24' Pantera. Kevin at Progression really builds a nice boat, that works well. And if I wanted to run above 85 mph I would lean to the Progression over the Pantera. Both are great boats, either way you cannot go wrong.

Idk that much about progressions, basically narrowed my choice to a super or Pantera because they both have good reputations, big following, and are easy to find used. My reasoning for favoring Pantera is that they are bulletproof and are easier to find in ' stand ups '. I'm thinking my rigging will get one of those porkers to at least high 70's low 80's and I'd be cool with that!! Anyone that knows of any of these 24x7''s minus I/O drive line for around 10 k keep me in mind!!

I'd jump on the classic 24 in Maine Craigslist; looks pretty clean asking 8100.

Good look... that thing looks clean for a '79. I'm hoping to get a better bang for my buck and get a boat needing re power.

Sure... fantastixvoyage has one for sale.
You wont find a 24 pantera that's in decent shape w/o power and drive for under $6000.

I know, I was already looking and considering that 24. But... by the time i painted her and messed with the interior I'd have been over budget. I'm prepared to spend 10. There was a restored 24 on the classifieds section that I'm bummed I didn't move on for 13.coulda swapped out power and drive and been mint. Something will pop up. I'm in no rush

I'm curious as to how my 24 outlaw stacks up to the likes of these hulls. I know it's a production boat vs a custom boat, but i've never ridden in a custom hull and don't know what the differences are. The reason for my question is that i'm planning on re-powering it and am not sure if it's worth it to stick with the baja. I would need larger tabs and external steering.

I know the 24 Super will have 10 MPH on you with the same power. Most of them will already be rigged w/ k-planes and at least an add-on steering system.

The cabin on the Super is a little more usable than the 24 OL too. It's not huge, but you don't have to crawl under the dash either.

10mph just because of less weight? Jeez, that's a lot. My boat is supposed to weigh 4000 lbs.

Crawling under the dash is kind of a pain, but I basically just use the cabin for storage and the occasional over nighter.

As far as the ride goes they are both 24 degrees without a pad or steps so that should be about the same right?

I think the Super weighs about 3600. Keep in mind that it has a 7' beam. Mine ran consistent 76-78 MPH w/496HO. I came across many 24 and 25 OLs , and never had one outrun me.

Mine was a '98, it had a step and a v-shaped pad. I don't think the step really did much but the the pad did.

With no disrespect to Baja, there's a pretty big difference in construction when compared to any of the brands that have popped up in this post. Although an Outlaw is a fine entry level performance boat and feels pretty safe due to its high freeboard and decent deadrise, we're comparing apples to oranges here.

The Superboat, Pantera and Progression are hand laid, generally vacuum bagged and therefore significantly stronger and lighter. Progression even offers a 10 year hull warranty - even if you race it. Take a close look at the bottoms and you'll see a real difference with the Baja having radiused strakes, chines and transom to make them easier to get out of the mold. The other three have nice, sharp breaks in all of those places - leading to greater speed and sharper handling with the same power. Quite simply, any of those three brands will take a hell of a lot more pounding - not pass it on to the driver and passenges - and not be any worse for wear. I've seen enough Bajas with major structural repairs to know they just won't take as much.

To give you an idea of the difference in performance with similar power, I mentioned in an earlier reply that Laster has a stock Progression 24LD hull with a simple Whipple charged 502 Magnum. He's running 95 on GPS. Last year I ran a 25' Baja Outlaw with a Procharged 502. He just squeeked by me. I'd put him at about 78-79 MPH. (Although the driver said he was doing 87!) And you can toss Larry's boat into a 180 degree turn and about 50 MPH and it will simply dig in, turn like it was on rails (while ripping your head off) and accelerate in the other direction like a scalded cat. You just won't get that in the Baja.

I guess that's kind of what I would expect. Although it's hard to gauge how important that is to me, I boat on a lake and never really plan to take it on the ocean.


That is a shame, i'd love to be running in the 70's with my current power :(

[QUOTE=Crossett;3430006]I guess that's kind of what I would expect. Although it's hard to gauge how important that is to me, I boat on a lake and never really plan to take it on the ocean.QUOTE]

Well, I do most of my boating on Lake Ontario and let me tell you, it can get rough out there! True, it's a different kind of rough than an ocean, but in some ways it's even harder on the boat because the waves are so much closer together. I've been on some smaller lakes where just the boat wakes will keep your dentist driving a Bimmer for years if you're in the wrong kind of boat. So yes, any of the three brands mentioned might be overkill for a smaller lake, but think of the difference in comfort!

That's true

95% of my boating is on Lake Travis, I just wonder if I have "enough boat" or if an upgrade to a more "sea worthy" hull is warranted.

Well said,

I have done things in my 24 Pantera that I have also done in the same spot with a 30' baja with twins, and the 24 pantera handled it better, may not have looked as graceful due to it's narrow beam, but trust me when I tell you a 24x 7 is more agile and forgiving of the rough water than a Baja, once you learn to drive it, and trust it:drink: The Baja however is more forgiving for someone who wants to go out and cruise and not have to "Drive" the boat every moment, but be prepared to be caught off guard, because when that rogue one you didnt see comes rolling around, your gonna feel it.

Thanks man. It's really hard to quantify the differences in feel between brands unless you've actually driven them. I've had the good fortune to have driven more than most folks - and there is a difference.

Hey too, what u seeing for MPH with that o.b?
Nice looking rig

Never mind... just read one of your posts. 76-77 MPH?

Yes, and on GPS. Just to be clear though, the powerhead dynoed at 240 HP after the boys at Diamond Marine worked it over. So it's a few horsepower up on a stock Mercury 200 of that vintage.

Get a STR 3 liter on that boat, let it eat, and get 80+ easy:drink::evilb:

Here’s an observation for you – keeping in mind that it’s not at all apples to apples. I recently had to deliver a 26’ Crownline about 20 miles down the lake from the marina I work at. This particular boat is about 6 years old and is powered by a bone stock 502 magnum. There was a bit of a breeze and there was probably a 1’ – 1.5’ chop going. Not a bad day for a delivery and not a terrible boat to deliver. (Not as nice as the 29’ Fountain with a 525SC the week before though.)

The reason I bring this up is that I also recently drove Laster’s 24’ Progression. (Here’s where we find out what happens when you compare apples to oranges.) But, the boats were both powered by the same base engine and drive and were pretty close in length. Given where this thread has gone though, I thought I’d bring this up.

So how much different can these two boats feel? Words simply cannot describe it. The Crownline probably topped out in the mid 60’s (I don’t push customer boats to the limit unless asked or given permission) and trimming it had some effect on speed but little effect on steering feel. I mention that because it felt like somebody had injected the steering with a serious dose of Novocain into the steering. It just felt mushy and dull at all speeds and in all situations.

In Laster’s 24LD Progression, we certainly had more power due to Mr. Whipple sitting on top squeezing air and fuel into the motor. So we’ll leave that totally out. The steering felt more direct – with a good dose of that being a full Latham dual ram hydraulic system. But, the increased feel went beyond that. The shaper breaks in all of the hull surfaces lead to lightning quick responses to steering inputs. The boat tracked like it was on sharp rails – which of course it was. And, every input to steering, trim or tabs was met with an immediate, direct, tangible response.

In short, the Crownline felt pretty dull – and probably pretty safe because of it. The Progression felt like it was hard wired to your nervous system – and required some concentration to drive because of it. One could fall asleep at the wheel of the Crownline whereas the Progression made you tingle.

So, for any of you that don’t believe there’s a difference in a well made performance boat, until you drive one, you just won’t understand the difference. And on one of Lake Ontario’s average snotty days, I love the additional control, feel and performance of my Progression over the other more “average” boats. I think you’ll find the same to be true for a Pantera, a Superboat and any other number of well made performance boats.

cool. Prob pretty ok at the pump too? Nice boat.

My next boat will most likely be another 22 Progression - with a 250 XS on the transom. Also good for mid-80's. Not quite as evil sounding as an STR or even my current motor, but bone stock reliable.

A lot can be said for reliability, and that is the reason my Pantera only runs 60, stock 250EFI, unbelievably reliable, but it has towed a few 100MPH sterndrives home:drink:

I hear ya brother. I had several long discussions with Marty at Diamond before we settled on how much to mess with mine. When we started to dip into modifications that would decrease reliability or time between rebuilds, I drew the line. I've been very happy - even though there was probably another 5-7 MPH available if we got silly.

Hi sir i'm darius from west indies Martinique does the 1979 pantera 24' Hull the same than the 2000 Hull?

I wonder if any of these were driven by the Cocane Cowboy? 😉 Never knew how big into offshore racing they were until the Netflix documentary because I was just a kid in the 80s.

Activator & Kryptonite were there:food-smiley-007:

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