OK I know you're old and alzheimers has set in but I never ever said a #6 drive but rather a speedmaster drive. What was your reason for changing to #4 from #3 drives on that swimming pool of yours, BRO? And why did Mo Beck have your parts pile in his shop for SO LONG? Hollywood will lay the law down Hacksaw!!!!!

The Illustrious One

Shawn

The DMan and myself are long time friendly rivals. He is also a very good friend of mine.

One thing is for sure he is plethera of useless information. :):)

All in all he is one of the best in controlling a boat at high speeds.

Sean

I good ol indian can "smoke" a cigarette any day...

APACHE wins Hands down

How do the prices on new boats compare?
 

Did anyone compare prices between Apache and Cigarette at the Miami show? I understand that Cigarette has raised their prices once again!:mad: How much can you get a 36 Warrior or a new 42 compared to a 35 or 42 Cig?

What kind of warranty does Apache have on new boats?

I am working on new pricing right now. The 36 at the show sold for $369,900 with the rest of the graphics to be painted this week.

Current warranty on a new Apache is 3 year structural and whatever manufacturer warranty is on parts used in the manufacturing process.

Warranties are being discussed now. But if there is a failure of some sort due to structural integrity of the boat we will stand behind it as long as you didn't try to jump a ship or something drastic.

SS ... where are the new 42's going to start at, or has'nt that been determined as of yet ???

Thanks!

JM

They are being started as we speak....new tooling from the original 41 with a new flare added to it is being made right now and the 42 will debut at the Lauderdale show.

How about a peek ?

:drool: when did i start this thread? :crazy:

Dude .... I'm talkin about pricing ...... is there a ballpark base price point yet ????

JM

Hey they are both great boats so i gotta go with the one i think looks the best................apache . that friggin shape is awesome now some body throw me a couple hundred grrrrr.

TTT

Sean,
Is Apache considering any type of sit down configuration simalar to the new Donzi, Gladiator, OL GTX or Dragon.

I would have to vote cigarette. Perhaps even a 35' twin step Playboy!:D :D ;)

sean; what is your relation with apache boats?

Cigarette
Where do think the molds for apache came from? Enough said. Cigarette invented offshore boats and everything since is compared to a cigarette. Even people that dont know anything about boats call all of them cigarette boats. Theres a long history between Apache and Cigarette, I believe this history ended back in 89 on 188 thunder boat row. Those that know the history know what im talking about. I have no use for apache.

Need I say more........

.....

They are 2 diffrent boats
cigarettes have too much "lipstick"

Looks, Rough water performance, Apache wins

Besides Apache owners are more loyal.

Look who's winning this poll!!!

Who has sold more boats....that should tell you something....

…….:p :p :p

The Man!

The point is Steve, is that Cigarette is still alive and kickin....not involved in a bunch of BS litigation and never ending arguments over who owns what....It is a fact that the mold for the 41 Apache came from Don Aronow is it not.....I am well aware of the magic that Don worked over and over again on his resale ventures......I am entitled to my opinion.....I personally also like the Apache and its storied past and colorful heritage.....but for me Cigarette is Numero Uno......of course that is just my opinion....

The problem with cigarette is that you have alot non-diehard boaters who are buying a top gun or a tiger as a first boat.
(Penis extensions)

Cigarette has gotten too big for it's own good.

Scalp taker,

I see that you ordered a 36 at the show, congrats. When do you expect to have your boat in LI? How did you set her up? Do you ever do any of the Poker Runs that the NJPPC puts on? I look forward to seeing your boat.

According to who???? You???? You have an opinion just like everyone else......so the fact that someone likes a Cigarette enough to save there money and go out and buy one as their first boat is a detriment to the brand.....come on......you are going to have to come up with alot better than that.....

Hopefully end of April.

I'm going to be in the NY & Manhasset Poker runs this year.

Your going to start seeing alot more Apaches in the Tri-State Area.


There will be a big news for Apache fans all over the place.

More to come.........

Cash...I have been around this board for awhile and am well aware of Steve's opinions and thoughts on a wide range of subjects here.....the fact that he knows a thing or two about laying up a boat doesnt make him the last word on any subject discussed here.......He prefers Apache.....I prefer Cigarette.....end of story.....

Spit,
We are both entitled to our opinions.
I don't think Cigarettes are bad boats.

Apaches are just better.
Who would you want designing your new boat

The corporate owners of Cigarette or

The Big cheif Mr. Saccenti (trained by Mr. Arronow)

I'm sorry too old,

Company was sold so many times. It's hard to keep up.

NEW TOPIC
Folks,

who do you want to build your new boat?

Skip & Neil

or Bob & Eric

Lets flip a coin.

Heads I win.

Tails you lose.:D

Heads

Everybody wins that way.

Cashbrain, are you sure?

Once again,
I never said anything bad about Cigarette boats

besides, cigarette and Apache have the same grandfather ( D.A.)

I don't need to "justify" my purchase to anyone.





My

Not meaning the gentlemen who run Apache but, just a championship. Seriously, I don't know. But all of the success in the late 80's and early 90's and no championship for an Apache boat?

APACHE STILL OUT FRONT!

Lucy to the rescue

We missed ya