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Lipship Doesn't dissapoint, that is BADAZZ. I agree though that those rear grabhandles are dangerous.

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Now that's a sweet looking boat. :eek:

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Awesome numbers no doubt !
Too bad the drives won't live on either one !!! :rolleyes:

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Philly,

That boat is why you are the King!

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can't be any worse then donzi's

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Damn, I wanted to hear more about the 98mph Dragon :rolleyes: ( with a broken drive at 38 hours ) vs. a probably legit ( and very respectable 101 mph) new 39' Cig ( thats also gonna break a drive in less than 40 hrs.)! Glad I got to read the fun stuff before the poof !! Man, all the good stuff just........
POOF :D

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too bad the dragon never saw that speed again after lake x (so ive heard) after rerig and paint had a mysterious 5mph loss

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Things were just getting interesting! What a bummer.

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:hothead: I always miss the good stuff!!!!!! :hothead:

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Maybe because the cockpit gets smaller, the boat looses 5 - 7mph and THE FREAK'N PRICE GOES UP BY $70,000.00 :eek:

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Because nobody wants a 450K boat that runs 95mph and with 1400 hp thats what you'd have. Remember the new Bravo's and props are very efficient helping them achieve these huge speeds with much less horsepower. The Bravo set up is like a drug for the manufacturers, they know they shouldn't use them but the #'s sure feel ( and look) good.

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Whats all this chit about breaking Bravos???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D

I took my Bravo boat to the Casino this weekend ,,, and I did not see any boats there with Sixes on them!!! Just a lot of boats with Bravos and the owners were having a Great time !!!

My Bravos have over 225hrs on them ,,, I guess its time to change the Royal Purple again!! :D :D

RHC

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never broke one either...and youve seen how i run

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Ummmmm, anyone need a left nut on trade for one of those??!! DAAAYUMMM that is nice!!

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The boat can always be rigged with 6's, you just gotta write the check! The isn't "only" offered with 700's. You could go with 1075's if you would like. Man that would be a machine!

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Hey wickedWon, I owned 4 twin step boats with Zul motors and have logged at least 400 hours on all them total. Out of all of those hours I have broken a grand total of 3 drives! Trust me, nobody is harder on the drives than I am. The 42' Tiger "Endangered Species" had 775hp motors and I did 15 poker runs with the throttles down the whole time and blew 1 drive with a $4500 repair bill. Not bad huh! Now, do the math on how many poker runs you can do on your Sterling power and #6 drives? How many ponies are your motors pushing because the #6 drives are supposedly only rated for 1075 Hp. How often do you rebuild these motors that only push your boat to...maybe, 100mph! I sold a Top Gun that went 105 mph(which was in Powerboat Mag) and a Gladiator that went 102 mph in the last 6 months and both had Bravo's. Between both boats, I lost $40-50k total and sold the boats within 60 days. I have seen these Sabers and others with big power and #6's for sale for 2 years or more! If you think that #6 drives and big blower motors are the only answer to go 100mph then you should do some more homework. Don't get me wrong, 100mph was not enough for me so I now do have #6 drives with BIG power and we now go 130mph! I have been warned on what the bill will be when something breaks and it makes the bravos sound like a pleasure..So easy on the Zul bravo package...

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yowzaa..those are both very sweet boats.

I am not as down on the side by side as Nikki would be next to me.

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Wickedwon,

I have a Lip-Ship Edition 2003 Gladiator with 700 Zuls & Bravo's that runs
100 plus mph all day long and had nothing ever go wrong with my bravo's.
I had 138 hours on them before I brought it back to Michigan and Phil @ Lip-Ship suggested that we have them feshened up so we did. It cost me $3,800.00 for both of them and now my bravos 191 hours and still have no problems!! It amazes me that so many (or 2) people can comment on this when they have never even own something close to these boats. By the way how much does it cost to maintain a #6 boat with huge power @ a 191 hours?

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I would have to back up twinsteptiger 100% - there is knowone more abusive than a.k.a. PINS!!!!!!

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quick question, in post 28 it looks like there are 3 sets of Keys in boat, what is up with that, are my eys playing tricks on me????

Randy Wild

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One for each motor and one for the electric cabin door

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Holy crap!

I've fallen in love again :cool:

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Suncoast , how did you arrive at these reasons for "90%" ?
Here's some homework for you ... Do a search here on OSO and come back to us with the number of times someone is looking for a "better Bravo" because they're "eating" them up. And there's even more threads from the guys that found a "better Bravo" and are now having issues with those. Seems that for everyone of you guys having good luck with your drives , there are many who are not. If that wasn't the case , then we wouldn't be hearing all this talk about Arnesons and other's being retrofitted on to otherwise "stock" boats.

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What are the specs of the new 39'? Is it CF, epoxy, or kevlar?

All the new 39's are schweet :D

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Wicked Won



I run a 36 Gladiator with 825 horse power. Total cost new a little over $300,000.00. My boat runs 113 mph. The fastest Gladiator to date. My boat was torture tested by Phil, Hot Boat magazine, and Cigarette. My boat now has 75 hours and is still running strong. All in the Atlantic Ocean and the long island sound, not a fresh water lake. To date I broke a universal at 45 hours. I sent my boat back to Phil. He took both drives all apart and inspected them. Matt at TNT said they look perfect and reassembled them. My total maintenance for 75 hours, of 113 mph boating, since March of 04, was $6,500.00. This was for rebuilding both drives, repairing damaged gimbal and replacing universal, labor included. My only other expense has been oil changes and spark plugs.



You run big Sterling Blower motors with #6’s. How much is your rig total cost new? How much horse power are your engines? How fast is your boat? How many hours do have on your engines and drives? How much do you spend maintaining your set up in 75 hours?



My point is, I don't think 700 horse power on a new Bravo XR is to much. I think it is a practical way to make a vee bottom boat run over 100 mph. A lot less expense than 2 or 3 giant blower motors and #5 or #6 drives in a big vee bottom.



Phil told me he never got 60 or 70 hours on his #6 drives with 1000 horse power. So I feel like I'm doing good, especially when he told me a broken #6 rebuild was about $8,000.00 each. Then he told me his Hering props were $20,000.00 a pair. Phil also tells me Mercury only rates #6 drives for 1075 horse power. I know a lot of people pushing more horse power than that, thru them. Just like a lot of people run more than 575 horse power on the Bravos. To me the difference is a lot less money for the same result. A BIG VEE BOTTOM RUNNING OVER 100 MPH.

Rick OSG

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Whew ! Before this goes any further let me just say that Cigarettes are the fastest, best built, best looking boats with the best resale and the only thing better than a regular Cigarette is one purchased from Phil ! :D

No one on this board has *****ed more about big blower motors than me (you would know that if you actually read the board instead of only checking in when notified by the Cig. police :rolleyes: ) Besides how does my boat figure in to this equation ?

I ***** about Blowers and Bravo's hoping to actually initiate some change from Mercury as we are all pretty much at their mercy. The new 1075's are an example of them listening to their customers and building something that raises the bar ( and gets customers back from their competition). They have no real competition when it comes to drives and if you guys live in denial of the Bravo's shortcomings nothings gonna change. The ZUL package is as good as it gets and I HAVE SAID THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN especially in the Gladiators as they are much smaller, lighter boats, but this thread is about a full sized 39' footer, and in my opinion ( and I'm allowed to have one as long as a Republican is in office) the drive is the weak link. The cost to replace them is not the larger of the issues, it's what it does to the small ( for most of us) window of opportunity that we have to use these damn things, and that uncertain feeling many of the people on this board have about really running their boat hard after experiencing a failure, takes alot of the fun out of really "using" the boat.

The bottom line is that their needs desperately to be something between a Bravo and a Six and the more noise Merc hears the more likely they are to do something about it.

Just to clear up a few facts ( not that facts matter :rolleyes: ) Their are only two big blower motor Saber's and neither have ever been for sale, the wave conditions on Lake Erie (the fresh water lakes) are much harder on drives than the Ocean.

BTW Why are you guys so threatened by my boat ? It's ok, I kinda take it as a compliment that such a nothing rig gets so much attention from people with really "cool" boats :D

Thanks,

Jim Deitz

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That is because I already broke them and you got new ones.

RHC apparently you never read about any broken bravo's on this board, huh? :rolleyes: It's no reflection on you or your boat, or anyone elses that bravo's suck. I think everyone on this board wishes that Merc could make a bulletproof drive with the same effeciencies as a bravo for the same price. My guess is you will be on a lonely island all by yourself bragging about the quality of a bravo. NK

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Geez I should have finished reading the thread before saying anything about offshore boats and their bulletproof bravo's. Sorry RHC It looks like you will have a big group with you.

My .02 cents worth if I can?

Rick Nice ride you have. :cool:
I have 1000hp on #6's and a 13,000lb boat going 100 and I have over three hundred hours of hard running on them. Last check they are in great shape. Matt charges 6,000 for rebuild. A new xr is 7,000 You might want to spend a little more time on one of our "fresh water lakes" before you insinuate that they are easy on drives. That is what I think you meant. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Tom
I have been on a lot of runs with you and your boats in florida and they have all been very fast and nice. Poker runs in florida however are not hard on your drives. In the time you have broken only three drives I've broken none. I don't think ww is trying to convince anyone that big power and drives is an economical way to go fast. It isn't! Where were you the three times your drives broke? I hope not out in big water in the Atlantic. Don't we all wish for continued improvement on the go fast, cheaply, idea?

Gladiator
I have owned many bravo boats, several step hulled boats and numerous cigarettes. Just reciting my resume in defense of these observations of mine. You now have 53 hours on your bravos and the cost of one rebuild under your belt.

Suncoast1
good luck defending your comments. NK

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Yup.

Now Jim, blaahh blaahh blaahh... bravos... blowers... six's... run'em and fix'em and all...

Would you just post pics of Mary so we can all agree on something! :eek: :D:D:D

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Damn, I started reading this thread, and wanted to say that may be the best looking boat I've ever seen, but by the time I got to the end, another Bravo fight broke out. :(

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It's all about priorities. :drink: NK

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Not a fight, just a lively discussion. :D and it is a sweet ride :drink: NK

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Got that right....
Whatever power/drive you got nothing is more expensive to run than any woman!!! :D:D:D

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BTW
Thank God that 39 comes with seperated seats so you can't hear the "slow down" stuff... looks terrific.

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GLH,

The smilies saved you... :D :D :D Is your wife canadian??

JM94 :D

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Stu Jones of FPC once told me that broken bravo's are the #1 cause of members dropping out of his poker runs. I think WW is correct we should expect Mercury to raise the bar.

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My wife put those there, she reviews all my posts.

She's the best, even when she told me she was due on the week of the Miami boat show she made it up by confirming we were getting another boy!!! :eek:

Ho yes JM she has dual citizenship Can/Am but was "Made in Canada".

Now JM be a dear and tell me how to ask her if she'll let me go to the show when she'll be 9 month pregnant? :drink: I already know I should wear an armor.

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Tell her that you are going to the boat show so that you can buy a big cruiser so that the whole family can all go and cruise around!! :D :D You think that she would go for that?? Is she due that same weekend??

JM94 :p

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