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A couple of cents worth of thoughts.....
The new 39 is a terriffic way of Skip and Neill to broaden the line and add another option to buyers. It's also a good way to get previous and existing buyers to step up to something new and keep the value of the older boats up I think. (I think it's called Planned Obsolesence or something like that)
As for the design of the new 39 I think that they have addressed a few of the issues in the dash that had a lot of us previous owners occasionally griping and grousing around. The lack of seams in the panels especially on the Lip Ship boat that was shown is a great way of sealing that dash, i think, and a welcome change. Also the molded steps to the deck as others have commented on is a great addition.
What I look forward to seeing is how they changed the bottom and some of the improvements there. After all it runs off of the bottom not the deck. So what have they done to make that more efficient. Less drag means less stress on the drives and more speed for the same HP.
As for the comments on the Bravo's et. al., I do agree with WW and several other of the posters that hopefully Merc will come out with a drive that spans the gap between the XR and the Six. But one has to ask oneself. Why would they (Merc) want to. Fewer drive types means fewer replacement parts, Less training for technicians, and fewer headaches. It's not like they are not selling all the production that they can manufacture now and people just keep steping up and paying for repairs no matter when or how or why they go boom. I guess what I am really getting at is that until Merc sees that someone else is taking some Market Share (Arneson, Volvo, anyone else???) especially in the OEM market, I think that they have very little impetus to "try harder" and that makes for a climate where you can sell a round peg for a square hole and get someone to buy it.
Just my .02 cents worth
Rice Hauler

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[QUOTE=Rice Hauler]
It's also a good way to get previous and existing buyers to step up to something new and keep the value of the older boats up I think.

Isn't that oxymoronic? Seems that if this model is as successful as everyone initially thinks it may be, there'd be an oversupply of late-model TG TS coming onto the market.

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its called engineered obsolecense

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I believe the correct term would be "Product Life Cycle" as with the introduction of any new model, the sales will increase (provided it is not a bomb) at an increasing rate for a period of time. Then the manufacturer has the option of watching sales increase a decreasing rate, sales drop or make a change that will make the sales increase once again at an increasing rate. (Redesign or new model)

This is what the auto manufacturers feed off of. Basically what it is doing is making everyone wanting the latest greatest. The side effect is that it kills the resale of the boats that are not the latest greatest as it makes them less desirable to the consumers.

I believe Fountain has been very successful with this same approach as while the deck does not seem to change much the bottom really does and in a quest to have the fastest boat, they are selling new models. Else, why would anyone every purchase a new boat if it is going to be the exact same boat as their current one?

Each of these changes starts in effect a new product life cycle for that particular boat.

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Nauti Kitty:: I have read about the broken drives ,,, I have replaced a drive at the lunch stop, so we could finish the Port Clinton Run,,, I have watched Bravo Props get thrown up in the air behind the boat!!! None of these things make me happy :rolleyes: I have spent a lot of Bucks for the best parts and used a Mechanic whom I think is the best,,, all of these things make me feel that I have found a combination that works for me! Does my boat run 100,,, never,, does it keep up at the average Poker Run,,, Always! I take a lot of pride in the Looks and the Performance of our Boat.,,,,, I always feel bad when I see a hatch up,, or ,, a boat at Idle heading back to the Lunch stop that is obviously broke !!!! The apparent thought here is that 1000hp and #6,s are not in everyones budget and from that portion ,, I will have lots of friends on the Island !! :D :D :D at Least I wont be by myself..

RHC

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Wow, all these bravo butt cigarette's claiming to be faster than Wicked Won, yet nobody seems to be able to keep up with him on "lake" water. I wonder why: :rolleyes:

Oh, and the new 39 looks just like an Outerlimits or a Nor-tech, where did the chisled classic offshore look go?

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Where is Speedmasters located in Deland?

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Thanks, that's only about four miles from me.

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I seem to remember a "bravo butt Cigarette" smoking an Apache after a challenge was thrown down. Some people on here amaze me how they take shots at Cigarette every chance they get. :rolleyes:

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Hey vern
Put up your money
I will be up there next year

As for my lake comment in my last post
Any lake can get nasty at times.
The ocean is one place that is nasty a lot of the times.
IF you boat on the lake 7 days in a row you could have 1-2 feet seas as an avg.
If you boat in the ocean 7 days in a row you could have 2-3 feet seas as an avg.


"May be this is the way I should of wrote it for some of you anti 100+plus Lip Ship, Zul,bravo cigarette guys."


I know it is hard but you got to admit they are sweet


Rick OSG

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Well this got totally out of hand, so this will be my final comment on this thread.

1 Where did you get the " anti Lip Ship 100 mph people" comment ? There's no anti anything, just a discussion of the realities of what hardware is available to ALL builders.

2. As far as my boat goes, you have NEVER heard me taunt anyone regarding it's performance, thats a Gladiator owner thing that I don't appreciate or understand. If you are curious as to how my boat performs I suggest you ask Mr. Lipschutz, we had a good time running with him and his brother when they brought there Cigs up to LEOPA year before last.

3. I think your statement regarding the typical water conditions on the Great Lakes is an indication of just how little you know about many things.

4. "put up your money" ......please, that is just plain embarrasing. Boating is about fun and comaraderie, I had never experienced a problem with other performance boaters untill this year at the LEOPA poker run where two "Lip Ship Cig Owners" literally taunted my wife and I for reasons unknow to both of us. It was our first experience like that and quite frankly took much of the fun out of the weekend, now you're doing it, what's up with you guys ?

I suggest you all remember why we spend ridiculous sums of money on this silly "sport", it's more about the people you meet and the friends you make than who's got what. I've made many, many friends from all over the country that I value yet never would have met if not for boating.

As for this group of Cig. owners that obviously hate my guts ( or is it my boat ?) I say enough, your taking the fun out of what used to be my biggest pleasure.

Out.

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WOW, great dialog, Now lets get back to the cool boats ! I for one love them all. BUt my favorite is WW..... :D :D :D

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What the hell happened to this thread??? :(

It's crap like this that keeps the real players in this "sport" off this website.

I've never met Jim but I have read his posts on here for years, he has always been a true gentleman and offered nothing but first hand real world experience.

Back to the 39 TG, How about a Lipship edition rigged with the 700 Zul's and Konrad 540's/Huber 925's :D Now that would be a fast, relaible package without the outragous cost of #6 drives.

Kurt.

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Holy crap, if I buy a Cig will I turn into an a$$hole too? I guess people can't have opinions on here anymore or they will be slammed by the Cig police. That is too bad, they make killer boats that speak for themselves without the need for the owners to come on here and slam everyone that doesn't own one!

Biggus, that sounds like a nice combo! :D

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Do you need help finding the power switch????



Biggus,

Is Konrad talking about comming out with a Bravo replacement? I have followed your Konrad thread pretty close. I have a 98 Top Gun with massaged 500's, and want to know of good alternatives in case my drives start to become an issue.

Thanks

Dan


P.S. Can we see some more pictures for crying out loud?!?!?!?!?

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Hey WW, I own a 90mph V with bravos on it and didn't find anything
you said offensive at all. :drink: Don't quite understand all the hostility towards a persons opinion. I have read many posts WW has been involved with and have great respect for his knowledge. To everyone else on the WW Rant whats the problem?

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Here, lets squash all this right now:

1) Bravos suck if you put more than 500hp to them
2) Cigs are awesome!

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You people need to lighten up ! nobody was trashing anything or anybody, If sh-t like this continues their will be no exchange of great info. on this site. Man this kind of bullsh-t pisses me off. It just like trying to talk about the Presidential election, everybody is so dam uptight !

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You can put a little more than that to them ;) , but you better take it easy getting on plane and know how to throttle.......or have more money than sense :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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That sums it up !!!!

You guys need to let up on W.W......He wasnt putting down Cigs !

OSG.....Not to piss you off.....You really should come visit Erie sometime !
I bet RHC & W.W. will show you around & buy ya a couple rounds !
{Me to when i find a 38 T/G} ! :D

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Wow, what's all the WickedWon Crap??????????


Sorry more of you fella's haven't had the pleasure of meeting him.

I've talked with him on the board, Phone, Email, and met him,
on more than one occasion at area poker runs over the
past few years.

All I can say is Jim (WW) and his wife Mary are probably
the sweetest and most helpful people you'll ever meet.
Alway's have time for you, always very helpful, Honest
and would never steer you wrong.

Tells you the way it is about what ever your subject may
be. Alway's been more helpful than anything!

Hard quaility's to find in people these days.

Cougarman

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Wow, nice boat!

I like the old classic lines, but it's also good to see Cig compete with the look of today's hotrods.
No comment about bravo's, don't really care. :drink:

The only thing I find terribly unfortunate is that Cig spent all the time, effort and money on this new boat, and didn't give it it's own identity.

This boat is NOT a Top Gun, and never will be.

C'mon guys, think outside the box with the names will ya! :eek:

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It's like I said before.....A 35' and a 39' are NOT TOP GUNS!!!! The 38' is a Top Gun....Come up w/new names. Couldn't agree more!

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Oh yeah, Phil if you read this, your paperwork should be on your desk tomorrow (10/7) by noon.
Sorry for the delay.
John

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I agree on the name thing. When someone says they have a top gun you shouldn't have ask "what kind" or "what size".

Also I think the bolsters definitely look good in the boat, but I am still a fan of the big thickly padded, square looking bolsters. some of the newer bolsters (especially sit down boats) are going with what looks like Sparco racing seats that you see these punks putting in their gay import tuner cars. just my .02

By the way I don't outdrives; so suck on them apples. :p :drink:

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Please do! WW has always been a gentleman on this board with more knowledge than you have brought here.

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Finally. Some inarguable, factual information!

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I don't own a cigarette, nor do I own a Saber, but I have to chime in here. I've been a member of OSO for quite some time, and I always read Jim D's (WickedWon) posts with great interest, and find him to be a very level headed and knowledgable voice. When he shares his opinion, it stems from actual experience. I have gained knowledge from his posts, and hope to continue to.
There are very few people who's posts I look forward to reading, because I usually learn something!
WW...you're right at the top of that list !!!
Please keep it up!

All the best,
Hans

ps- I sure do love the looks of that Lip-ship 39

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I have enjoyed XR/bravo's on my boats.

My 28 has right at 300 hours on it without a single rebuild. It's been out of the water more than in! (and I don't mean on the trailer!)

The 92 Gun had TRS drives, blew 2 in 7 years (and 1 tranny), not bad.

My current boat got 150 strong big Atlantic water hours and some lake time on it's XR's, which were fine until some son of a b-tch stole em.

It completely depends on the driver, more than the drive. Bravo's work great, if you don't miss every wave on re-entry.

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[QUOTE=Cevert]
I hope so!! I'm in the market.

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Hey, Hey, Hey, I was an a$$hole way before I bought a Cigarette.

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100% agree! I just hate seeing broken drives. Sounds like your deal is working good. :drink:


BTW 1000's and #6's isn't in my budget either. I just decided to live in my car and eat once a day. If Merc made an in betweener I could sleep in a bed. :( NK

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I remember it well. It killed me I wasn't in my boat. Stuffing a 50 hustler at 50mph does require a significant wave! :D

Rick. While you might be right on the average wave heights, I think us lake guys refer to rough as a combination of height and steepness. Robert has
seen 6-8 foot waves in the ocean many times but the pattern, height, spacing and steepness, together, make for a challenging performance enviroment completely different from the ocean. Even Lake Erie and Lake Michigan are very different because of the prevailing winds and depth of the water. That's all I ever refer to when I talk about how rough our "lakes" are.

BTW I love cigs, hardly know Philly, have great respect for his many years of experience, have no opinion one way or the other about Zul because of my lack of experience with their product, love going 100+ ( In my case 100.1) and f***ing hate bravo's. I do however love all the bravo butt owners on this board. :drink: NK

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Dude. How was Curt's throttleing? 3 Bravo xr's in 70 hours on his boat before he had a meltdown and went #6 on me. :eek: I have seen some real good drivers blow the piss out of bravo's. :( NK

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Hey Jeff Crapper It just ain't right to bring up a guys wife. :mad: Especially a beautiful woman like Mary who is already looking to switch boats and ride with LEOPAJM next year if merc's new motors are really the chit. Tools like you need to stay in the bilge. NK

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WW isn't an Apache. NK

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Same sh!t! :eek: :eek:

Just kiddin now..... :p :drink:

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Am i one of them ?????? :D :D

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I stand corrected, because Curt definitely worked the throttles excellent, as did you. :cool: :drink: Anything can be broken though.