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NOBODY 02-27-2005 04:07 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by TMP racing
Nobody, you are right, we are leaving some power on the table by not using the Pontiac heads. In our situation, they create more problems than they solve. They are hard on valvetrain components and the Indy manifold must be machined to accept the Whipple intercooler, since the water fittings come in through the front. I need the valvetrain to last for 100 hours. We are not trying to make max hp, just enough. I don't know if you are familiar with the Whipples, but they are a different animal then a roots. They are more efficient and do not generate the heat that a roots does. The intercooler does an excellent job of removing the heat. The 1400 has never seen over 130 degrees of intake air temp, even at 13 psi boost.
You don't want to get me started on blower eff. I guarantee I know more or just as much as anyone on this site.
If you want me and you can start a whole other thread about this topic.
As far as the heads go you obviously have never used any spreadport heads or you wouldn't be making those comments.
As far as your Whipple intercooler not fitting the manifold, with all the engineering going into testing lifters you could at least spend some money on a man. or intercooler.There are many sheet metal fab. guys that would be happy to help you with a manifold.
Remember guys----when it's all said and done and the warr. is up your the one that owns the motor. Don't spend 90 grand on a motor with cheaper parts just because they didn't want to build something custom. Your the one that will have to try to sell the motor when it's all over (that is unless they will buy it back).

ApacheCarl 02-27-2005 04:08 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Nobody, who are you ??

NOBODY 02-27-2005 04:09 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by lchornet
I'd say that he needs to stick to staying off OSO. Its not good for business to come on here and rant and rave. PR skills are needed when you are the new guys on the block. No offense, but he needs to work on them.



Agreed. Plus, as I said above the PR part. Calm and cool works a lot better than yelling. He's done that




My post of

"No offense, but some of the other posters need to calm down. When people protest too much, it makes it seem like they have something to hide."

was not aimed at you, "Nobody". It was aimed at the posters that were ranting in TMP's defense. I'm not selling anything either, and how people spend their money is up to them.
The reason I quoted you was not that I had beef, You gave what you learned from this thread so I was giving what I've learned on this thread.

BigSilverCat 02-27-2005 04:11 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by Bigyellowcat
I had 1:1 gear ratio in a 42' cat that weighed 16,000 lbs. and I was way over proped 34" pitch 5 blade 17.5" dia. I was only turning 4100 rpm at the finish line at 109 now tell me tmp how much hp would it take to do that?
tmp,
I will quote myself again, if you know so much about motors and top secret lifters then how much hp do you think it would take to do that?

NOBODY 02-27-2005 04:14 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by ApacheCarl
Nobody, who are you ??
Hopefully you'll never know.

ApacheCarl 02-27-2005 04:18 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by NOBODY
Hopefully you'll never know.
Seems to me that you should identify yourself if your going to bad-mouth somebody. Its easy to hide behind a screen name and talk trash about a company and act like an expert. People that don't identify themselves have zero crediblity in my book.

Jassman 02-27-2005 04:22 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by NOBODY
You don't want to get me started on blower eff. I guarantee I know more or just as much as anyone on this site.
If you want me and you can start a whole other thread about this topic.
As far as the heads go you obviously have never used any spreadport heads or you wouldn't be making those comments.
As far as your Whipple intercooler not fitting the manifold, with all the engineering going into testing lifters you could at least spend some money on a man. or intercooler.There are many sheet metal fab. guys that would be happy to help you with a manifold.
Remember guys----when it's all said and done and the warr. is up your the one that owns the motor. Don't spend 90 grand on a motor with cheaper parts just because they didn't want to build something custom. Your the one that will have to try to sell the motor when it's all over (that is unless they will buy it back).
Nobody, the only thing that matters to the masses is reliability. The majority could care less how smart you are in motor combinations and what you have achieved. You cant even tell us who the hell you are, and don't give us anymore B.S. that its best that we don't know, it's more like at this point, we don't care. If you built motors for a living and sold them to guys like me, I would give you a little more credability. Like you said, your needed in the tech forum to help the guys that truely need your expertise. I havent seen you over there all day. Take care. Jeff

NOBODY 02-27-2005 04:26 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by ApacheCarl
Seems to me that you should identify yourself if your going to bad-mouth somebody. Its easy to hide behind a screen name and talk trash about a company and act like an expert. People that don't identify themselves have zero credibility in my book.
I want 0 credibility. I don't want your respect.
Prove me wrong on anything I've said.

NOBODY 02-27-2005 04:31 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by Jassman
Nobody, the only thing that matters to the masses is reliability. The majority could care less how smart you are in motor combinations and what you have achieved. You cant even tell us who the hell you are, and don't give us anymore B.S. that its best that we don't know, it's more like at this point, we don't care. If you built motors for a living and sold them to guys like me, I would give you a little more credability. Like you said, your needed in the tech forum to help the guys that truely need your expertise. I havent seen you over there all day. Take care. Jeff
I know I've been hard on you I apologize.
I'm not looking for anybodies respect, just facts.
If I've said something wrong prove it.
Your right no one here cares about what they buy, that's one of the reasons I've said what I said because you average person just doesn't know if he's getting bent over or not.

offshoredrillin 02-27-2005 04:32 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by NOBODY
You don't want to get me started on blower eff. I guarantee I know more or just as much as anyone on this site.
If you want me and you can start a whole other thread about this topic.
As far as the heads go you obviously have never used any spreadport heads or you wouldn't be making those comments.
As far as your Whipple intercooler not fitting the manifold, with all the engineering going into testing lifters you could at least spend some money on a man. or intercooler.There are many sheet metal fab. guys that would be happy to help you with a manifold.
Remember guys----when it's all said and done and the warr. is up your the one that owns the motor. Don't spend 90 grand on a motor with cheaper parts just because they didn't want to build something custom. Your the one that will have to try to sell the motor when it's all over (that is unless they will buy it back).
Ok, say if they were to make one, wouldnt this fall into the R&D catagory? Therefore wouldnt that be just as experimental? Have you done this for yourself? Just because they choose to use a formula that you may or may not particularly subscribe to, doesnt make them wrong. I'm no expert by any means, but if dustin Whipple is working with TMP on experimental stuff, then that blows holes in your theory, i would tend to think his reputation speaks for itself in the blower industry. I think TMP has a right to keep their combination to themselves. I've never purchased anything from them, but in the same respect, you're asking them to come off of trade secrets of their own, when you chose to remain anonymous, which is your choice, however it's just my opinion that if you want to be taken more seriously than just someone asking questions, it may be best to pull off the mask.

ApacheCarl 02-27-2005 04:32 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by NOBODY
I want 0 credibility. I don't want your respect.
Prove me wrong on anything I've said.
Don't worry about getting my respect. I just want to know who you are. I like to know who I'm not going to buy engines from.

Show some of your projects.......................................

offshoredrillin 02-27-2005 04:39 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by NOBODY
I know I've been hard on you I apologize.
I'm not looking for anybodies respect, just facts.
If I've said something wrong prove it.
Your right no one here cares about what they buy, that's one of the reasons I've said what I said because you average person just doesn't know if he's getting bent over or not.
Well then, that statement clarifies it all, IF TMP had bent someone over, dont you think it would have been all over the board? IF TMP's new 1600's dont perform, dont you think that this board will be first to know? Not one customer has said one negative thing about TMP, excluding open 72, and thats a mute point. Arguing theory and asking questions like that to try to catch someone in a slip up was what won Marisa Tomei the oscar in my cousin Vinnie. Your trying to protect people from being "bent over" and no one has been. Your arguing numbers that you say are unacheivable.

NOBODY 02-27-2005 04:49 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
Ok, say if they were to make one, wouldnt this fall into the R&D catagory? Therefore wouldnt that be just as experimental? Have you done this for yourself? Just because they choose to use a formula that you may or may not particularly subscribe to, doesnt make them wrong. I'm no expert by any means, but if dustin Whipple is working with TMP on experimental stuff, then that blows holes in your theory, i would tend to think his reputation speaks for itself in the blower industry. I think TMP has a right to keep their combination to themselves. I've never purchased anything from them, but in the same respect, you're asking them to come off of trade secrets of their own, when you chose to remain anonymous, which is your choice, however it's just my opinion that if you want to be taken more seriously than just someone asking questions, it may be best to pull off the mask.
All I meant by that statement was that I understand blower eff. more than most people.
Where do you think whipples came from. Why doesn't Merc call their blowers whipples.
What kind of blowers do you think Racecrafters uses--they seem to be a litter bigger than Dustins.
Racecrafters bought all those blowers when they outlawed them on top alky drag cars---the reason why way too eff. Roots blowers couldn't compete.
A round blower or turbo is the most eff. compressor you can get--they just have to be spooled up to work.
As far as TMP working with Dustin It's because whipple is treading uncharted territory too.
Maybe someone can ask Dustin why his whipples aren't bigger
And if the company he gets them from will ever sell him bigger ones.

NOBODY 02-27-2005 04:51 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
If your guys want me off this thread then see you later.

offshoredrillin 02-27-2005 05:00 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by NOBODY
If your guys want me off this thread the see you later.
thats not the point, the point is R&D, obviously you have experiance, and if you choose to remain anon, thats your choice. The whole point of my other post was, that people need to chart the uncharted. Of course Dustin is working with whom he feels comfortable with, same as other boat manufacturers are working with people in R&D as well. I'm quite sure Reggie and Sterling have meetings and are trying experimental things. It doesnt matter to me who you are, I think your posts have been good.If you have an idea Talk to Steve and Eddie about implementing it. I fell if they make that HP, thats great, somoen somewher will come up with something better. I remember when turbos were looked at as time bombs as well...Rob

JCPERF 02-27-2005 05:09 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by NOBODY
All I meant by that statement was that I understand blower eff. more than most people.
Where do you think whipples came from. Why doesn't Merc call their blowers whipples.
What kind of blowers do you think Racecrafters uses--they seem to be a litter bigger than Dustins.
Racecrafters bought all those blowers when they outlawed them on top alky drag cars---the reason why way too eff. Roots blowers couldn't compete.
A round blower or turbo is the most eff. compressor you can get--they just have to be spooled up to work.
As far as TMP working with Dustin It's because whipple is treading uncharted territory too.
Maybe someone can ask Dustin why his whipples aren't bigger
And if the company he gets them from will ever sell him bigger ones.
Lysholm needs to make a bigger blower.

RichardCranium572 02-27-2005 05:25 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
By NOBODY
What happens is you have to use more blower output to achieve these high HP rating their talking about. In an endurance app. the engine with the least amount of blower speed to get their targeted HP the better. More blower speed =more heat plain and simple.
While what you said is true, I would like to expand on this comment a little. A "blower" needs to be more thought of as an engine, assuming 100% adiabatic efficiency, a "blower" will move x amount of air at y amount of "blower" speed, much like an engine, assuming 100% VE. Now we add boost to the equation and the adiabatic efficiency drops off. Of course cubic inches of the engine the "blower" is on, better heads and "better" camshaft, affect the boost if we have the same "blower" speed (Think about it a second folks, if the engine can pump as much as the "blowers" can feed it, we would have 0 boost). Whipples have the best adiabatic efficiency on the market when it comes to superchargers... almost as good as turbo's if everything works together. It takes hp to drive "blowers". It takes less hp to drive Whipple's in comparison to roots style. The internal "pressure ratio" of a screw compressor can be changed at casting time, or by porting of the housing. This is how you can tailor the adiabatic efficiency for the boost range you will be using.

I do agree that Pontiac heads would yeild a better environment for achieving the high horsepowers talked about in this thread. I do not agree it has much to do with the intake ports(other than a bit less boost therefore increasing the adiabatic efficiency of the "blowers") but more to do with cam timing and the obvious superior exhaust port the Pontiacs and others have(The overlap cycle is our friend in "blown" applications as it contains the key to cooling the surface temps of the piston and chamber, and of course maximizing fuel efficiency). Making the horsepower with "conventional" heads is definately possible. The dilemna might be in controlling the heat generated at that high hp level.

Heat is energy, energy is horsepower. But, you must be able to control the heat or destruction will follow.

Maybe someone can ask Dustin why his whipples aren't bigger
And if the company he gets them from will ever sell him bigger ones.
Time will tell if we are to see the 5 litre "blower" ;)

p.s.NOBODY, I don't care who you are. It's good to communicate with people of above average knowledge in this area. I'm not looking for business here either.

Byrdman 02-27-2005 06:00 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Nobody is somebody! :evilb:

KNOT-RIGHT 02-27-2005 06:05 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigyellowcat
I had 1:1 gear ratio in a 42' cat that weighed 16,000 lbs. and I was way over proped 34" pitch 5 blade 17.5" dia. I was only turning 4100 rpm at the finish line at 109 now tell me tmp how much hp would it take to do that?


Originally Posted by Bigyellowcat
tmp,
I will quote myself again, if you know so much about motors and top secret lifters then how much hp do you think it would take to do that?
Can I guess
3042HP?????

open87 02-27-2005 06:47 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
Well then, that statement clarifies it all, IF TMP had bent someone over, dont you think it would have been all over the board? IF TMP's new 1600's dont perform, dont you think that this board will be first to know? Not one customer has said one negative thing about TMP, excluding open 72, and thats a mute point. Arguing theory and asking questions like that to try to catch someone in a slip up was what won Marisa Tomei the oscar in my cousin Vinnie. Your trying to protect people from being "bent over" and no one has been. Your arguing numbers that you say are unacheivable.



if shinny paint and polished aluminum are all you need to see to buy something , i have got a deal for you.

i was never a customer nor will i ever be. i don't buy snake oil.

open87 02-27-2005 07:29 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by Jassman
I believe that was discussed at least 1 time before :rolleyes: :D I didnt tell TMP how to build my motors, good thing on my part, and I have 389 hours on them presently. Thats some real good TMP snake oil :p :D , Good luck with your Precsion motors, hope to see ya on the water at a few PR this year. :drink: Jeff

Eric, TMP Green is for envy :D
that's funny douchbag , i thought your boat only had 60 hours

:rolleyes:

learn how to spell assman

open87 02-27-2005 07:32 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by Jassman
I have had 4 750efi built from TMP, 2 of them have 390 hours in my old Sonic, and 2 are in my 4300 Nortech. They will be building a pair of 900's in my next Nortech.

I am at the shop twice a week, I get into what they are doing. Ive seen, these motors being built and have seen them with 98 hours on them being pulled apart, checking for rebuild. Ive also driven at least 20 plus hours on a 36 Nortech cat with 1200/1400 motors last year, and the boat had 60 hours on the meter. It hurts when someone can do a better job, especially someone or( NOBODY) who's been in the business longer is getting the school knocked out of them when they are younger and can do a better job. I say we do a motor build off, smart ass, Ill fund it, seeing that Im TMP spokesmen and all :rolleyes: :p Jeff
sooo jeffboy , you gonna put up or shut up ???

Jassman 02-27-2005 08:08 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
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Originally Posted by open72
sooo jeffboy , you gonna put up or shut up ???
So now Im a douche bag, your a real class act. :rolleyes: I swear you have multiple personalities, one minute your ok, then the next your back to something that was resolved months ago. Grow up man, lifes not bad, its what you put into it, you"re leading to many lives, whitness protection program, gardner, shop foreman, FBI informant. Im just gladd you see it my way, :evilb: :D

open87 02-27-2005 08:34 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
:D:D

JCPERF 02-27-2005 08:36 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Which Eric just responded? :eek:

Young Performance 02-27-2005 08:36 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Nobody,
You must have not read my post that well. I said that we don't need the Pontiac heads to make the power. If we were looking for max. hp, then we would go to those heads. Why go through all of the trouble to make one off parts when they are not needed. The motors make the power that we advertise. Thats like putting a sc on a 502 to make 500 hp. It is just not needed. If something were to happen and parts need to be replaced, I don't want to have to wait for those parts to be made again. I am not ripping anyboby off. They get the hp that they pay for and the parts are readily available. The Pontiac heads are great, but they have their place. These motors are complicated enough, why make them worse. I have used Pontiac heads several times before in alky motors, where they were needed.

Big yellow cat,
That questions is impossible to answer. Who knows if there was any cavitation, if you put a little or a lot of tab in it, how hard you rolled into the throttles, the efficiency of the hull, etc. I would be willing to bet that if you let 5 different people drive the boat you would have 5 different speeds. By the way, what does that question have to do with this thread.

GATORONE 02-27-2005 08:38 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
I think all interested parties should just settle all of this in may at the Tickaw. :eek:

open87 02-27-2005 08:38 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by JCPERF
Which Eric just responded? :eek:
nobody :eek:

JCPERF 02-27-2005 08:42 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
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Originally Posted by GATORONE
I think all interested parties should just settle all of this in may at the Tickaw. :eek:
My money is on this boat with 800 less HP.Is and still will be the fastest Nortech36.And you dont have to brag about it, I will. :D

GATORONE 02-27-2005 08:48 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
I am just going to ride and have fun since it is on the way back from Havasu for Leander.I dont have the hp to run in that crowd. But I think the Louisiana boys should just settle it on the water with a crowd present.

JCPERF 02-27-2005 08:51 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by GATORONE
I am just going to ride and have fun since it is on the way back from Havasu for Leander.I dont have the hp to run in that crowd. But I think the Louisiana boys should just settle it on the water with a crowd present.
This would be worth the trip!!! :D

Young Performance 02-27-2005 08:51 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Gator, I could not agree more. So who is coming?

JCPERF 02-27-2005 08:52 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by TMP racing
Gator, I could not agree more. So who is coming?
He is for you guys. :D

GATORONE 02-27-2005 09:03 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Not me , I just taking my bride for her birthday. But the La. boys could end all of this bickering finally on the water and not on the computer.

offshoredrillin 02-27-2005 09:07 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by open72
if shinny paint and polished aluminum are all you need to see to buy something , i have got a deal for you.

i was never a customer nor will i ever be. i don't buy snake oil.
We have all heard the story on you and your"parts" its not up to me to judge. What I said was "NO one has complained about them EXCEPT you. Now of all the mebers on this board, sorry that's sheer law of averages...against you.

totalmp 02-27-2005 09:07 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
That sounds like fun. Hopefully JC can bring the Skater also.

JCPERF 02-27-2005 09:13 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
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If i [not zul] have the new PSI 1500s done, this could be there.

offshoredrillin 02-27-2005 09:14 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Originally Posted by JCPERF
If i [not zul] has the new PSI 1500s done this could be there.
Now thats pretty!!!

totalmp 02-27-2005 09:17 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
You've got two months. We'll buy the drinks all weekend.

GATORONE 02-27-2005 09:20 PM
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
 
Like I said to much hp for me I will sit back and watch


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