Marine Lubrication
11-16-2005 | 06:22 AM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by Hydrocruiser
Lambo is an Italian Based Company...who knows... but but in reality if they specify a branded oil or anything branded for that matter to meet compliance... then they must provide it for "free"...that's the MM law. They can mandate something.. no doubt..but then it must be all inclusive with no charge for the product. Like Benz for example gives free oil changes with M-1 during warranty.
Why A Gip who knows?? Ferrari used to be going with Sint but that supposedly has changed. It's all about having "your product" associated with a certain type vehicle and the press and attention it gets is my theory. If M-1 goes into the $600K Porsche Carrera GT and it does...then why Sint or A Gip...equal?.. maybe...better?.. prolly not.
Why A Gip who knows?? Ferrari used to be going with Sint but that supposedly has changed. It's all about having "your product" associated with a certain type vehicle and the press and attention it gets is my theory. If M-1 goes into the $600K Porsche Carrera GT and it does...then why Sint or A Gip...equal?.. maybe...better?.. prolly not.
11-16-2005 | 09:49 AM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by minxguy
Ferrari is currently pushing Shell Advance. The reason is not all that complicated.......................20 million to support the F1 race team. With about 2200 employees and approx. 700 working on the F1 program, racing is very important to Ferrari. Years ago Agip was the "factory oil" for Ferrari, they were also the factory oil for Ducati, but even Dutaci need more dollars to go racing, Agip wouldn't pony up the amount, now Ducati is also using Shell Advance. It all comes down to sponsorship dollars. Ken
Well said
11-16-2005 | 04:28 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by minxguy
Ferrari is currently pushing Shell Advance. The reason is not all that complicated.......................20 million to support the F1 race team. With about 2200 employees and approx. 700 working on the F1 program, racing is very important to Ferrari. Years ago Agip was the "factory oil" for Ferrari, they were also the factory oil for Ducati, but even Dutaci need more dollars to go racing, Agip wouldn't pony up the amount, now Ducati is also using Shell Advance. It all comes down to sponsorship dollars. Ken
11-17-2005 | 02:03 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
OK...Another question as to what oil you "can" use in a Corvette C-6 or for that matter any recent model Corvette.
Well 10W-30 Synthetic is what Chevy says to use I do believe and they put M-1 in at the factory.
Can you use 0W-30 M-1 racing?? Yes..no brainer and it has lots of zddp...should be fine and not plug up the cat I am guessing.
Can you move up a grade to 10W-40 Synthetic? Yes
Can you move up to 15W-50 M-1? Yes as it pumps like a lighter wt. conventional oil..more zddp.
How about 20W-50 V-Twin? Yes as it flows and pumps like a lighter wt. conventional oil....tons of zddp...I would bet you still would be fine as far as the cat goes but I am guessing here...
What is "best? You make the call based on the above info.
Many use 15W-50 EP M-1 in Vipers so why not Vettes??..that's what I would personally use I do believe with an M-1 oil filter and probably change the oil every 5,000 miles.
Well 10W-30 Synthetic is what Chevy says to use I do believe and they put M-1 in at the factory.
Can you use 0W-30 M-1 racing?? Yes..no brainer and it has lots of zddp...should be fine and not plug up the cat I am guessing.
Can you move up a grade to 10W-40 Synthetic? Yes
Can you move up to 15W-50 M-1? Yes as it pumps like a lighter wt. conventional oil..more zddp.
How about 20W-50 V-Twin? Yes as it flows and pumps like a lighter wt. conventional oil....tons of zddp...I would bet you still would be fine as far as the cat goes but I am guessing here...
What is "best? You make the call based on the above info.
Many use 15W-50 EP M-1 in Vipers so why not Vettes??..that's what I would personally use I do believe with an M-1 oil filter and probably change the oil every 5,000 miles.
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11-17-2005 | 07:21 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Scientific findings of the anti-wear properties of ZDDP in an internal combustion engine....
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../307/5715/1612
ZDDP is the only proven substance that will significantly reduce engine wear it would appear.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../307/5715/1612
ZDDP is the only proven substance that will significantly reduce engine wear it would appear.
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11-18-2005 | 03:59 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
I was asked what most significantly contributes to oil temperature?
Good question!!
The upper part of the engine and cylinder walls are cooled by the water flowing through the jackets....the oil cools the lower part of the engine and the main bearings most significantly contribute to oil temperature. So you can imagine just how hot the bearing surfaces get. A good oil cooler helps keep oil temps lower so the oil chemistry does not get destroyed.
If your oil is running way too hot you can bet that your main bearings are taking a real good beating! Then your oil gets destroyed and the temps get even hotter as the film strength of the oil is lost and can not lubricate properly. Then you are on the way to premature wear and possibly a major engine failure.
Good question!!
The upper part of the engine and cylinder walls are cooled by the water flowing through the jackets....the oil cools the lower part of the engine and the main bearings most significantly contribute to oil temperature. So you can imagine just how hot the bearing surfaces get. A good oil cooler helps keep oil temps lower so the oil chemistry does not get destroyed.
If your oil is running way too hot you can bet that your main bearings are taking a real good beating! Then your oil gets destroyed and the temps get even hotter as the film strength of the oil is lost and can not lubricate properly. Then you are on the way to premature wear and possibly a major engine failure.
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11-22-2005 | 07:25 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by Rage
In case it was missed, the new GM Vortec HP3 8100 525hp crate engine based on GM's hi po Gen VII marine big block specifies M-1 15w50. Just one step away from M-1 20w50.
11-22-2005 | 07:29 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
I have gotten several e-mails "demanding" I provide a suggestion of the best and cheapest oil and filter that would fair well in an offshore engine.
Simple...
Shell Rotella 15W-40 @ HomeDepot for $6.99/gallon (It may be as cheap at Walmart?)
Oil Filter: A/C for $3.99ea @ Walmart or Murray's
...would I use it?....yes...
Now please give me the keys back to my synthetic oil cabinet.
Simple...
Shell Rotella 15W-40 @ HomeDepot for $6.99/gallon (It may be as cheap at Walmart?)
Oil Filter: A/C for $3.99ea @ Walmart or Murray's
...would I use it?....yes...
Now please give me the keys back to my synthetic oil cabinet.
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11-23-2005 | 06:14 AM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by Hydrocruiser
I was asked what most significantly contributes to oil temperature?
Good question!!
The upper part of the engine and cylinder walls are cooled by the water flowing through the jackets....the oil cools the lower part of the engine and the main bearings most significantly contribute to oil temperature. So you can imagine just how hot the bearing surfaces get. A good oil cooler helps keep oil temps lower so the oil chemistry does not get destroyed.
If your oil is running way too hot you can bet that your main bearings are taking a real good beating! Then your oil gets destroyed and the temps get even hotter as the film strength of the oil is lost and can not lubricate properly. Then you are on the way to premature wear and possibly a major engine failure.
Good question!!
The upper part of the engine and cylinder walls are cooled by the water flowing through the jackets....the oil cools the lower part of the engine and the main bearings most significantly contribute to oil temperature. So you can imagine just how hot the bearing surfaces get. A good oil cooler helps keep oil temps lower so the oil chemistry does not get destroyed.
If your oil is running way too hot you can bet that your main bearings are taking a real good beating! Then your oil gets destroyed and the temps get even hotter as the film strength of the oil is lost and can not lubricate properly. Then you are on the way to premature wear and possibly a major engine failure.
Why would a person who has 10's of thousands of dollars tied up in a toy, try to "save " money by purchasing the cheapest lubricant possible. Buy the better oil and buy one less beer at the bar. Ken
