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Old 09-22-2011 | 09:28 PM
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The 290 heads are 100.1 cc closed chamber. Would I do better with 049 or 781 with open chamber with 219/188 valves
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Old 09-22-2011 | 09:30 PM
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What is your idea on this 3/8 fuel line should i go up to 7/18 or 1/2 inch ? BOB is telln me im not getn the fuel, im running a 23 mirage and getting 4800 rpm on a 24 pantera wot
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Old 09-22-2011 | 09:37 PM
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well the lower cc heads are higher compression, my 781 were cc'd around 114 but we only did 2 of them, what size valves are in ur heads.
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Old 09-22-2011 | 09:39 PM
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If you have water in ur oil u probly have reversion and need to extend your inner pipes
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Old 09-22-2011 | 09:52 PM
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Pantera232 your heads or only good for around 4500 rpms your heads or running out of air

And for the water in the oil had 3 pistons with about 1" holes in them would that make a vacuum that would pull the water from the exhaust it had stock manifolds

My valves or 219/188

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Old 09-22-2011 | 10:07 PM
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Wow I've never heard of that. What is all involved in that process?
I had to quote a source:
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Old 09-22-2011 | 10:09 PM
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If you suspect running out of fuel, your spark plugs should tell the story.

Running these stock gm truck heads, your just not gonna make the power. A 454 is small enough by todays standards. To make power, you NEED to spin the engines. 4800, 4900, 5000 just ain't gonna do it.

Build them with cams, heads, intakes, and carbs that will support 5600-5800 and let them run. There is an abundance of cams, lifters, valvesprings, rockers, etc, that can support the additional rpm with no problems. Not that many options 25 years ago, so guys tried to make low rpm power reliably with oval ports truck heads, dual planes, etc.
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Old 09-22-2011 | 10:16 PM
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Pantera232 if it was your fuel line it would run good till it sucked bowls dry then fall on face not do it the hole time
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Old 09-22-2011 | 10:55 PM
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I bought the boat off the Internet only looking at pics. Freshly built 468 500hp 70 mph boat. Guy seamed honest we talked back forth for cupple weeks. So we made the deal big mistake. Got the boat straight to launch. fired it up Pulled off idled out. Went to give some gas no power. Back to launch pulled dip stick water in oil. Man I was sick. So go to fix head gaskets pull heads. Three shattered melted pistons. Then I was really sick. So here I am.

Block was no good so got new block
But every thing else is good
Gm big ovals 290 heads full roller rockers 219/188 valves
Comp cam .505/.515 .262/.268 112 lsa Part# 11-232-3
Gm oval port intake part#3854100
Holley 800 DP
Machine sHop said he could work the heads a little and get them to flow to 48 to 4900 rpms. Witch the cam stops at 5000
All this stuff is like new was a fresh build he just blew it up then passed it on to my dumd ass
So my question is how much hp would a .030 over 454 9 to 1 ish make with all the parts listed
First thing I would do is ditch that cast iron intake. Isn't that for a quadrajet style carb anyway? I'd replace it with a RPM Airgap manifold. That's the biggest problem I see in your combination. Open chambers do flow better than the old closed chambers. If you changed to an aluminum high rise dual plane and open chamber heads your specs would be very close to the 370 cyclone which mercury made in the 80's. Those heads will already flow over 5K the way they are. If those heads are in good condition I would just use them. You really wouldn't see that much difference in that set up by changing to open chambers. Those heads will have more compression also then if you switched to open chambers but still manageable. Man that really sucks someone would sell a boat with an engine in that condition. I assume he never mentioned anything about it to ya.
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Old 09-22-2011 | 11:20 PM
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No he said it was a good strong runner. What goes around comes around
Guys name is Scott Welker he lives in hot springs arkansas he is a real peace of **** hasn't answerd a phone call or returned any Tex sense this deal he got me good

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