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Old 12-02-2016 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Havoc40
I didn't open up the internal "clearance" of the piston to bore fit. I have a higher flowing pushrod seat. Two completely different animals. The leakdown rates are still the same.

ETA: Tim had mentioned he was worried about the rockers not getting enough oil. This is designed to allow more oil upstairs when using thicker oils.
Yes and I think my 1 to 2 pounds of oil pressure loss was from opening up the lift or bores more ...
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Old 12-02-2016 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Baja
The stuff we run on aggressive lobes with Morel lifters usually has 110+ running and 80+ at hot idle the motors are tight. I'm not saying what you have is wrong at all I'm just saying what we run. A lot of times we have to change oil pressure gauges out on these boats because most of them only go up to 100. But if you have a part in a motor that is dependant on oil to make it operate giving it everything you can is only going to help it.

I think the best thing for your application Tim is go with what Joe said. Pick a nice mild shelf cam maybe a Lunati Voodoo or something like that. Stick it in the motor and go boating.
I really don't mind the threads you start and actually look forward to them. So, even if you do decide to go mild keep the threads up. After all winter is here and I don't have sh!t to do.
Better ten threads of last year when you hated me lol

One thing is people learn a lot from my threads, good or bad I posted and told truth about things that most guys would hide to keep image of perfection... Not me haha

Can won't be discussed until heads come back with flow sheets, at that point I put whatever can Bill decides I need, or what he thinks is best, I will post and talk stuff but in the end as many have suggested he's the person putting package together.

Glad to see some guys don't actually hate me after all the bs lay year as all I am trying to do is build decent stuff, go boating and have a mistress that runs better then average, not trying to break any records here.

I have no problem listening and thank everyone for advice.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 11:59 AM
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Better ten threads of last year when you hated me lol

One thing is people learn a lot from my threads, good or bad I posted and told truth about things that most guys would hide to keep image of perfection... Not me haha

Can won't be discussed until heads come back with flow sheets, at that point I put whatever can Bill decides I need, or what he thinks is best, I will post and talk stuff but in the end as many have suggested he's the person putting package together.

Glad to see some guys don't actually hate me after all the bs lay year as all I am trying to do is build decent stuff, go boating and have a mistress that runs better then average, not trying to break any records here.

I have no problem listening and thank everyone for advice.
Tim I don't think anyone hates you. I think you take things to heart a little to fast. I mean after all this is the internet. At the end of the day it doesn't mean anything. I read what people have to say and if I like it I take it with me. The rest I just leave it here. I will say this though the last two threads have made me look long and hard at my own stuff and make (I think) a better decision on what to do with my valvetrain. The only thing I have left is cam and lifters. I decided the best thing for me was to go solid. Is that decision right for everyone no. You have to sit down and look at the pro's and con's of everything gather as much information you can and based off that make the best educated decision. But for someone to come on here and say you can't do this you can't do that. This is the way it has to be done. That's not right. If anyone wants to step in and float the bill then by all means you can come make those decisions for me. I don't know Bill nor do I know anything of him but if you trust him to make those decisions for you its your money go for it. I refuse to let someone make those decisions for me anymore I've dealt with too many in the past that say they know what they are doing and there track record with me proves different. I will make my own from here on out and if there is a problem I don't have anyone else to blame but myself.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Baja
Tim I don't think anyone hates you. I think you take things to heart a little to fast. I mean after all this is the internet. At the end of the day it doesn't mean anything. I read what people have to say and if I like it I take it with me. The rest I just leave it here..
Agreed!

Sometimes the board has a pack mentality where if you question someones thoughts or disagree with their approach, some people immediately dismiss you or claim that you're just a cheerleader of product (a) or person (b). I think that's BS... There's many ways to skin a cat and there's many other products out there.

I mean, I remember when every boat needed Konrad's. Then every one needed Arneson's. It gets old and it's annoying.

Speak your mind, debate the facts, show the pros/cons but don't argue and don't bash other products or people because that's usually why other threads got so out of control.

Just my opinion FWIW.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 12:39 PM
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Lol we had some rough times last year, I called it hate, all good water under bridge to me.

Yes I trust Bill 100% known him 20+ years and has had great success.. He has done well, wish I had him involved back 2 years ago. We lost touch for a handful of years and came in contact shortly after my issues started last May.

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Tim I don't think anyone hates you. I think you take things to heart a little to fast. I mean after all this is the internet. At the end of the day it doesn't mean anything. I read what people have to say and if I like it I take it with me. The rest I just leave it here. I will say this though the last two threads have made me look long and hard at my own stuff and make (I think) a better decision on what to do with my valvetrain. The only thing I have left is cam and lifters. I decided the best thing for me was to go solid. Is that decision right for everyone no. You have to sit down and look at the pro's and con's of everything gather as much information you can and based off that make the best educated decision. But for someone to come on here and say you can't do this you can't do that. This is the way it has to be done. That's not right. If anyone wants to step in and float the bill then by all means you can come make those decisions for me. I don't know Bill nor do I know anything of him but if you trust him to make those decisions for you its your money go for it. I refuse to let someone make those decisions for me anymore I've dealt with too many in the past that say they know what they are doing and there track record with me proves different. I will make my own from here on out and if there is a problem I don't have anyone else to blame but myself.
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Old 12-02-2016 | 12:40 PM
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Now wait and see how much i push TRS. Limits!

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Old 12-02-2016 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Panther

I mean, I remember when every boat needed Konrad's. Then every one needed Arneson's. It gets old and it's annoying.


Just my opinion FWIW.
One exception. All Active Thunders do run 112 MPH. Problem solved, FF!! Your hull is wiping your lobes out!!
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Old 12-02-2016 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
Icdeppl dan had to use some spacers on his gen 3 manifolds. One set he purchased, had the manifold flange milled down if i remember. They wouldnt clear his setup with the spring oilers if i remember right. Maybe he could explain better.
With the Gen III manifolds and a 1/4 or 1/2" ( I forget) spacers it`s still impossible to access the valve cover bolts.
The middle 2 need a shoehorn to get in or out..

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Old 12-02-2016 | 05:52 PM
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One exception. All Active Thunders do run 112 MPH. Problem solved, FF!! Your hull is wiping your lobes out!!
I heard that's only down hill !!
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Old 12-02-2016 | 06:15 PM
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Tim I think your getting the pros and cons from some pretty good members here. All about what you wanna do. Black baja among others pretty much covered it with your situation stay hydraulic especially if you go with a non aggressive a cam. That's the only way I'd go hyd. With any aggressive lobe solid all the way. It sucks to be at a dyno session and find out right off the bat some lifters failed. I had the problem and didn't even bother with sending the lifters back to have cked bla bla bla. I imeadiately put isky solids on and changed the springs. Done deal. I know my luck I woulda replaced the lifters and still had a problem with the cam I used which wasn't really even that severe. 244/248-647/641. I know this isn't a cam thread but again find a proven hyd roller cam with your combo that is easy on the valvetrain. I think most the failure hyd roller cam threads stem from aggressive lobes. I'm going solid only cause I'm looking for max hp and don't wanna be chasing down lifter issues but that's cause of my cam choice. I know there's plenty of options but again I think that grind howards has that MT posted a while back was an easily achieved 700 plus @6k. At this point in the game and considering what you went through I wouldn't get out the lobe catalog and start designing your own that's for sure. There's a lot to it and more than just lift and duration obviously so why gamble. If money and time wasn't an issue I'd say go for it with the right help. Understanding valve timing is not a guessing game.

I think your new intakes will be a huge improvement and assume you had those worked over some by the same guy who worked on your heads. That is huge... Another note but just my advice is I would look for peak hp at 6k only cause of your weight and hull design. I'm just saying don't cam it to see happy numbers at 6,500 plus rpm. I'd wanna be running 1k over peak torque min. Others may disagree and that's ok but it just my experience from years of boating and building.

i would imagine you would however for whatever cam you end up with I'd use the recommended lifters to go with regardless or at the very least seek their advice on what to use.
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