Solid roller adjustments or check intervals?
12-02-2016 | 06:56 PM
#112
Registered
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 11,332
Likes: 73
From: chicago
Agreed!
Sometimes the board has a pack mentality where if you question someones thoughts or disagree with their approach, some people immediately dismiss you or claim that you're just a cheerleader of product (a) or person (b). I think that's BS... There's many ways to skin a cat and there's many other products out there.
I mean, I remember when every boat needed Konrad's. Then every one needed Arneson's. It gets old and it's annoying.
Speak your mind, debate the facts, show the pros/cons but don't argue and don't bash other products or people because that's usually why other threads got so out of control.
Just my opinion FWIW.
Sometimes the board has a pack mentality where if you question someones thoughts or disagree with their approach, some people immediately dismiss you or claim that you're just a cheerleader of product (a) or person (b). I think that's BS... There's many ways to skin a cat and there's many other products out there.
I mean, I remember when every boat needed Konrad's. Then every one needed Arneson's. It gets old and it's annoying.
Speak your mind, debate the facts, show the pros/cons but don't argue and don't bash other products or people because that's usually why other threads got so out of control.
Just my opinion FWIW.
I do see alot of guys complain about oso today, compared to the old oso. I been around here a while myself. Honestly, when you look back at alot of the old tech threads, there was some HORRIBLE information being given. Guys telling people to stick 741 cams in 598's. Valve spring recommendations that were as good as throwing a dart at the catalog listings, carburetor advice that went against the laws of physics, just alot of misinformation.
Then for a while, whenever someone brought up anything remotely related to a camshaft, or valvetrain part, the responses were limited to "call bob" . If someone asked about tuning their carb, is was "call nickerson". IMO, that is not a tech forum.
Theres some pretty sharp guys posting in the threads as of lately, and theres some good information. Of course when you get a group of gearheads together, theres always gonna be debates and arguments over who's way of doing things is best. Its the same thing over on the car forums too.
Like Black Baja said, its the internet. Nobody's forcing anyone into anything. You simply read whats here, and either take the advice, or leave it. Alot of times , I see guys here something from one person, irregardless of the topic, and they think its gospel, and theres no other way. Things like " oh, you have a roots blower? Well they make too much heat, so you can only run 5lbs of boost". No discussing what size blower, what the actual temps are, what the overall engine build consists of, what ignition setup , and so on. Or things like "oh, its a hyd roller cam setup? Well, then you can only run 140lbs on the seat and 430 open", with no regard to the profile of the cam, the weight of the valvetrain, the max rpm, or any of that. So, when a guy comes on here, and says, "I been running 220/575 lbs on my setup with good results" the original guy thinks he's a liar, and a moron. Then the arguments arise.
12-02-2016 | 07:02 PM
#113
Registered
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 8,356
Likes: 1,515
From: NW Michigan
Kinda funny I was reading that the other night during family guy commercials. Lol... Good material. Have been some brilliant r&d that had come out of crane over the years. I was glad to see the transition in 09 went as well as it did. Some good grinds have been put out by a few good companies. Ultradyne is one not to be forgotten either.
Last edited by getrdunn; 12-02-2016 at 08:45 PM.
12-02-2016 | 08:25 PM
#115
Registered
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 487
Likes: 23
From: Salisbury N.C.
Some of us want that every last bit. We want semi-radical lobes. So what do you do? Buy the best hydraulic lifter on the market? Well, the problem with that is availability. We ordered 3 sets of .904 hydraulics and 9 months later they were not yet available. Then you install them in a new motor spin the motor over 2 revolutions to adjust the valves. Prime it and start it up. Guess what... Not all the lifters pump up. Now what? Take two sets and make one? What about the other set you need for another motor? Now what? Wait another 9+ months to get another set. 2 years to build a motor? When the good ones work no doubt they work great. But do to the type of machining involved to make a performance oriented hydraulic sometimes you get a good set and sometimes you don't. The company that makes the good stuff has not increased there footprint in years but yet every year there sales go up and up. So what do you do? Again not all of us want stock warmed up motors. So you buy the best Solid lifter you can get your hands on use common sense when you set the valvetrain up and be responsible with maintenance of the valvetrain. Use parts that are easily accessible if a failure is getting ready to happen so you can have the parts the next day. A well setup solid lifter isn't any noisier than a hydraulic in a performance boat with dry exhaust that so loud you can here yourself think. That's my .02
12-02-2016 | 08:35 PM
#116
Platinum Member
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,150
Likes: 15
From: Northport N.Y.
Ok , If they are the Best Available Lifter on the Market then why do they Fail after 2 Revolutions ? Sounds like the lifter bores are not correctly machined to supply oil to the Lifter at the Correct Location . Had that problem with SB2 , when we started running 55MM roller bearing cams . The lifter bore oil hole was 9MM to low , and would barely supply enough oil to keep the push rod cups oiled. *****'s would turn push rod balls and cups blue and gall them to ****. We had to mill a .125 slot in each lifter bore to supply oil up to the lifter body oil supply band ( cut down OD on lifter body ).
12-02-2016 | 08:45 PM
#117
Registered
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,733
Likes: 8
From: bel air, md
Ok , If they are the Best Available Lifter on the Market then why do they Fail after 2 Revolutions ? Sounds like the lifter bores are not correctly machined to supply oil to the Lifter at the Correct Location . Had that problem with SB2 , when we started running 55MM roller bearing cams . The lifter bore oil hole was 9MM to low , and would barely supply enough oil to keep the push rod cups oiled. *****'s would turn push rod balls and cups blue and gall them to ****. We had to mill a .125 slot in each lifter bore to supply oil up to the lifter body oil supply band ( cut down OD on lifter body ).
Last edited by Black Baja; 12-02-2016 at 08:47 PM.
12-02-2016 | 08:48 PM
#118
Registered
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 8,356
Likes: 1,515
From: NW Michigan
I'm not a rookie. We check that stuff while the motor is being assembled. A flashlight in the oil galley hole tells that story. These lifters come tested from Morel. It takes two revolutions of the motor to adjust pre-load then you start the motor and the lifters don't pump up. We have a bucket full of brand new lifters that never pumped up.
