Frank that would be considered cheating. My name isn't reggie fountain :eek:

Any one know about why only 4 quad step 37s were build and 2 or 3 are missing also what about the ok that spun out years ago in the my hope bay as a kid who has nothing to do with ok was invited and died

I'd swear you were a drunk or pill popper if I didn't know you better. Artie's posts make more sense! :lolhit:

There's no quad steps missing. One was run up on rocks and the other was burnt in a barn fire in Maine. Why isnt there 1 Cigarette that handles well at 120+mph? Your last statement makes zero sense. Also there was more than 4 built. Any more wrong information you want to post?

Um maybe because they are a heavier better riding more stable boat:party-smiley-004: Just a guess I don't have the formal education in Outerlimits lay up schedules that you have, I have been to busy running my own business and making money to buy my own boat. :kiss:

More stable usully means better handling Frank...........how come it doesnt apply?

Just to throw it out there here's a cool non typical Cigarette!! Was cool.

One word displacement. I will give a real world example. Years ago I was went to Long Island in a friend of mines boat. We ran into Dominic who I bought my Cafe from. Dominic had bought a 37 side by side Outerlimts with 500hp's in it. Dominic had 3 buddies with him. We sat down and had a beer with these guys, them not knowing that i bought the Cafe from Dominic. When we asked how them how they liked Dom's boat they said they loved it, and said it was definately faster then his old boat "but said it did not ride as smooth or feels as safe" as his old boat.One of the guys said even Dominic missed the ride of the Cigarette. So completely unexpected and no brand loyalty just 3 guys stating their findings. So that's how I guess I would explain it. Not to mention there are others who have even more experience then you in all the different hulls that have told similar findings, I know they are fast but again from what people who I have talked to have said is they tend have a more rigid and loose ride. I am sure you will disagree and maybe you are right. But maybe just maybe you are wrong and they are right. Now I know that you and Adam and Pat don't like Cigarettes and feel they are an inferior product but why do think they have been so successful all these years, especially when other brands like Fountain and Baja and Power Quest and Activator oh yeah and Power Play can't seem to do the same?

Gorgeous boat as is the 40 OL you guys have now. What year was that? I know you base a part of your Cig impression on owning this boat but is that a fair comparison? I am not sure never been in a Gladiator and not sure how they compare to the ride of a TG. What the rigging from one company to the next? I believe it was Pat that told me that OL could learn a lot from Cig on rigging. Pat if this was not you then I apologize but I know it was an OL owner who used to own a Cig before and I am pretty sure it was you that said it. And again off it was Pat his boat is 10 years old and I am sure things have changed.

Cig does finish off a boat very nice. They're still building boats the old school way. Nice and flashy. The TG rides better than the Glad since they are similar hulls and weight made a difference. I dont base all my Cig impression off the glad but the fact I've been in almost all their step boats and few straights. I knew Dom. Rich now has his boat.