Class 3 for 2011
12-01-2010 | 05:52 PM
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i wish it could or i would be in SV, just tied of dumping most of the years racin buget into the boat to keep up with the bigger power. then there is no money to race with. we just want to race more
12-01-2010 | 06:15 PM
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Rick, Class5, a little self serving huh?
Speaking for our class(twins)that is proposed, Simmons is talking retirement(also says boat is not capable of 90), Dont really know what the status of Chiro is so lets say they are coming back(also says boat is not capable of 90), Jersey Outlaw will do a race here and there, ok Formula is in as well. So now you go from 3-8 boats in every race down to 1-2(on a good day 3) in a "new class". yawn, been there done that, over it....
My thoughts are to bring back class 2 and leave the rest alone, then have class meetings in St Clair about possible changes for 2012 which then each class rep can bring them to Smitty and he and the board can go from there. Not have ongoing discussions on any offshore forum.
As far as the twin vs. single battle, I have been on both sides and knock on wood was able to to "build a boat for the class" and now everyone wants to cry about it. It always goes back to us as racers are our own worst enemy.
Safety is my only concern about moving up to 90. I mean hell Dev and i proved that if you get cut off, she'll buck ya in a heartbeat attempting to make an evasive move @ 81.4 mph.
Johnny, I respect what you are saying and you have some very valid points, however, you have to remember that when your boat had a 500EFI it ran 80-82 mph all day long and back in the day competed against "The Flying Condo" and sometimes even beat him. I dont know the exact specs on your current motor, but it certainly looks like it has a lot more ponies than 520-525HP. So in theory, it should easily be capable of mid to high 80's. I also realize that back in the day I was getting gas for .77 a gallon so obviously 2011 is a lot different than 2001-4.
Smitty my thoughts are above, I do request that if changes are to be made they be made yesterday so us florida guys can get out and test test test all winter and be prepared for next season.
Speaking for our class(twins)that is proposed, Simmons is talking retirement(also says boat is not capable of 90), Dont really know what the status of Chiro is so lets say they are coming back(also says boat is not capable of 90), Jersey Outlaw will do a race here and there, ok Formula is in as well. So now you go from 3-8 boats in every race down to 1-2(on a good day 3) in a "new class". yawn, been there done that, over it....
My thoughts are to bring back class 2 and leave the rest alone, then have class meetings in St Clair about possible changes for 2012 which then each class rep can bring them to Smitty and he and the board can go from there. Not have ongoing discussions on any offshore forum.
As far as the twin vs. single battle, I have been on both sides and knock on wood was able to to "build a boat for the class" and now everyone wants to cry about it. It always goes back to us as racers are our own worst enemy.
Safety is my only concern about moving up to 90. I mean hell Dev and i proved that if you get cut off, she'll buck ya in a heartbeat attempting to make an evasive move @ 81.4 mph.
Johnny, I respect what you are saying and you have some very valid points, however, you have to remember that when your boat had a 500EFI it ran 80-82 mph all day long and back in the day competed against "The Flying Condo" and sometimes even beat him. I dont know the exact specs on your current motor, but it certainly looks like it has a lot more ponies than 520-525HP. So in theory, it should easily be capable of mid to high 80's. I also realize that back in the day I was getting gas for .77 a gallon so obviously 2011 is a lot different than 2001-4.
Smitty my thoughts are above, I do request that if changes are to be made they be made yesterday so us florida guys can get out and test test test all winter and be prepared for next season.
12-01-2010 | 07:40 PM
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In bracket racing the way I see it is build a boat that on its best day can go 5-7 MPH over the class you want to race in. Then you are in the right class. I see Cotner Trailers win championships in class 6 with the smallest motor in there class. I bet they couldnt break 77 MPH on there best day. Yet they win being well prepared. I have a stock 525 in my class 5 boat and always feel I have a shot. Max speed on my boat best case is 84 MPH. Class 4 has Simmons with stock 500 merc's and SVL with single 525. which max out at 92 MPH on there best days. In all these classes there are boats with much bigger power that should kick a$$ but the teams are the difference in the end. Class 6,5 and 4 are all good in my book. I look forward to being the underdog with less power in the classes I race in. Winning or putting up a good fight with less means more to me. And dont think for a minute that fans dont understand you are the underdog and you are up for the battle. I think you will gain more respect beating Goliath than him beating you. Moral of the story is man up beotch.
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12-01-2010 | 08:37 PM
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Mark,
Pot Kettle Black.
Simmons was the big dog in our class for years(way before you came on the scene), I came out with a boat that would be competitive with him, nothing more nothing less. His boat is a former F2 boat as is the boat we campaign. I have no intention of having the powers that be create a class for me. You have a spec class that your boat easily fits into, unfortunately, I dont have that luxury and I brought a boat to race in a class that was originally built around a 38' with twin 750's in it.
Best of luck to you in your racing career
Pot Kettle Black.
Simmons was the big dog in our class for years(way before you came on the scene), I came out with a boat that would be competitive with him, nothing more nothing less. His boat is a former F2 boat as is the boat we campaign. I have no intention of having the powers that be create a class for me. You have a spec class that your boat easily fits into, unfortunately, I dont have that luxury and I brought a boat to race in a class that was originally built around a 38' with twin 750's in it.
Best of luck to you in your racing career
12-01-2010 | 08:45 PM
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In bracket racing the way I see it is build a boat that on its best day can go 5-7 MPH over the class you want to race in. Then you are in the right class. I see Cotner Trailers win championships in class 6 with the smallest motor in there class. I bet they couldnt break 77 MPH on there best day. Yet they win being well prepared. I have a stock 525 in my class 5 boat and always feel I have a shot. Max speed on my boat best case is 84 MPH. Class 4 has Simmons with stock 500 merc's and SVL with single 525. which max out at 92 MPH on there best days. In all these classes there are boats with much bigger power that should kick a$$ but the teams are the difference in the end. Class 6,5 and 4 are all good in my book. I look forward to being the underdog with less power in the classes I race in. Winning or putting up a good fight with less means more to me. And dont think for a minute that fans dont understand you are the underdog and you are up for the battle. I think you will gain more respect beating Goliath than him beating you. Moral of the story is man up beotch.
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12-01-2010 | 09:26 PM
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Rick, Class5, a little self serving huh?
Speaking for our class(twins)that is proposed, Simmons is talking retirement(also says boat is not capable of 90), Dont really know what the status of Chiro is so lets say they are coming back(also says boat is not capable of 90), Jersey Outlaw will do a race here and there, ok Formula is in as well. So now you go from 3-8 boats in every race down to 1-2(on a good day 3) in a "new class". yawn, been there done that, over it....
My thoughts are to bring back class 2 and leave the rest alone, then have class meetings in St Clair about possible changes for 2012 which then each class rep can bring them to Smitty and he and the board can go from there. Not have ongoing discussions on any offshore forum.
As far as the twin vs. single battle, I have been on both sides and knock on wood was able to to "build a boat for the class" and now everyone wants to cry about it. It always goes back to us as racers are our own worst enemy.
Safety is my only concern about moving up to 90. I mean hell Dev and i proved that if you get cut off, she'll buck ya in a heartbeat attempting to make an evasive move @ 81.4 mph.
Johnny, I respect what you are saying and you have some very valid points, however, you have to remember that when your boat had a 500EFI it ran 80-82 mph all day long and back in the day competed against "The Flying Condo" and sometimes even beat him. I dont know the exact specs on your current motor, but it certainly looks like it has a lot more ponies than 520-525HP. So in theory, it should easily be capable of mid to high 80's. I also realize that back in the day I was getting gas for .77 a gallon so obviously 2011 is a lot different than 2001-4.
Smitty my thoughts are above, I do request that if changes are to be made they be made yesterday so us florida guys can get out and test test test all winter and be prepared for next season.
Speaking for our class(twins)that is proposed, Simmons is talking retirement(also says boat is not capable of 90), Dont really know what the status of Chiro is so lets say they are coming back(also says boat is not capable of 90), Jersey Outlaw will do a race here and there, ok Formula is in as well. So now you go from 3-8 boats in every race down to 1-2(on a good day 3) in a "new class". yawn, been there done that, over it....
My thoughts are to bring back class 2 and leave the rest alone, then have class meetings in St Clair about possible changes for 2012 which then each class rep can bring them to Smitty and he and the board can go from there. Not have ongoing discussions on any offshore forum.
As far as the twin vs. single battle, I have been on both sides and knock on wood was able to to "build a boat for the class" and now everyone wants to cry about it. It always goes back to us as racers are our own worst enemy.
Safety is my only concern about moving up to 90. I mean hell Dev and i proved that if you get cut off, she'll buck ya in a heartbeat attempting to make an evasive move @ 81.4 mph.
Johnny, I respect what you are saying and you have some very valid points, however, you have to remember that when your boat had a 500EFI it ran 80-82 mph all day long and back in the day competed against "The Flying Condo" and sometimes even beat him. I dont know the exact specs on your current motor, but it certainly looks like it has a lot more ponies than 520-525HP. So in theory, it should easily be capable of mid to high 80's. I also realize that back in the day I was getting gas for .77 a gallon so obviously 2011 is a lot different than 2001-4.
Smitty my thoughts are above, I do request that if changes are to be made they be made yesterday so us florida guys can get out and test test test all winter and be prepared for next season.
Your right, its way over 525, as are plenty of boats in our class. I hear what your saying though and I do completely agree, if the overall outcome of any of this is a 2 boat class....screw it
12-01-2010 | 10:43 PM
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In bracket racing the way I see it is build a boat that on its best day can go 5-7 MPH over the class you want to race in. Then you are in the right class. I see Cotner Trailers win championships in class 6 with the smallest motor in there class. I bet they couldnt break 77 MPH on there best day. Yet they win being well prepared. I have a stock 525 in my class 5 boat and always feel I have a shot. Max speed on my boat best case is 84 MPH. Class 4 has Simmons with stock 500 merc's and SVL with single 525. which max out at 92 MPH on there best days. In all these classes there are boats with much bigger power that should kick a$$ but the teams are the difference in the end. Class 6,5 and 4 are all good in my book. I look forward to being the underdog with less power in the classes I race in. Winning or putting up a good fight with less means more to me. And dont think for a minute that fans dont understand you are the underdog and you are up for the battle. I think you will gain more respect beating Goliath than him beating you. Moral of the story is man up beotch.
MD
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12-01-2010 | 10:44 PM
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What about leaving the classes essentially the same,require canopies in Class 1, bring back Class 2 , and add a 38FT length limit for Class 4.I think the step down effect is hurting Class 3 and Class 4.Merge some spec classes into bracket classes unless there are five boats.
EXTREME CAT
SUPER CAT
CLASS 1 TO 115MPH CANOPIED...merge SCL
CLASS 2 TO 105MPH...merge SV
CLASS 3 TO 95MPH
CLASS 4 TO 85MPH/38FT...merge SVL
CLASS 5 TO 75MPH/30FT SINGLE INBOARD (TWIN OUTBOARD,TWIN SMALL BLOCK INBOARD GRANDFATHERED)
CLASS 6 TO 70MPH/26FT SINGLE INBOARD
EXTREME CAT
SUPER CAT
CLASS 1 TO 115MPH CANOPIED...merge SCL
CLASS 2 TO 105MPH...merge SV
CLASS 3 TO 95MPH
CLASS 4 TO 85MPH/38FT...merge SVL
CLASS 5 TO 75MPH/30FT SINGLE INBOARD (TWIN OUTBOARD,TWIN SMALL BLOCK INBOARD GRANDFATHERED)
CLASS 6 TO 70MPH/26FT SINGLE INBOARD
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