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Steve 1 07-21-2010 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 3164414)
what is meant by "up bagging"? I have seen you use that term before.

Everything every stick of it ,Wetbagged and "Dry Bagged" as used for a clamping force (core installation and such).

Steve 1 07-21-2010 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by glassdave (Post 3164414)
what is meant by "up bagging"? I have seen you use that term before.

Or you take a 3000# 33 Vee hull inboard Configured Boat and make a 1875# one out of it.(that was in 91 we can do better now).

Jupiter Sunsation 07-21-2010 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Semper Fi (Post 3164044)
Is the owner of this boat Rusty West? GREAT posts Steve1 !!!

No.........Nick T was the original owner of the Navy 38 and just repowered it w/Merc. 700's

Steve 1 07-21-2010 06:00 PM

Dave Here is an example the B-61 and the C-930 Outboard (Cool Boat with a sliding fuel tank)which was @125# Lighter than the B-61 Hull and Deck at 1750# All up Bagging the hard work pays off.


http://i25.tinypic.com/5ov4on.jpg

302Sport 07-21-2010 06:13 PM

thats a nice boat :coolcowboy:

northernoffshore 07-21-2010 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3164722)
thats a nice boat :coolcowboy:

who redid your boat into side by side?

DareDevil 07-21-2010 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by northernoffshore (Post 3164744)
who redid your boat into side by side?

teague....its a shame that it was changed over.

302Sport 07-21-2010 08:33 PM

somebody out in cali......i want to get rid of the 4's w/boxes and go with a pair of arnesons. it runs almost 90 right now, and i think with steve doing the bottom and going to arnesons i could be knocking at 100mph with 550hp in a straight bottom 33ft pleasure boat. steve, can you shoot me a PM about doing my transom back to a blank sheet to start with.

sunchaser796 07-21-2010 10:21 PM

Its ashame Dan went out the way he did 'cause he had one hellova boat.

Wally 07-22-2010 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3164703)
Dave Here is an example the B-61 and the C-930 Outboard (Cool Boat with a sliding fuel tank)which was @125# Lighter at 1750# All up Bagging the hard work pays off.

A sliding tank? please tell me more! i had an idea like this a few years back and thought i was innovative in my thoughts! :D
Any pictures? :)

DareDevil 07-22-2010 08:15 AM

It was a tank with a trim cylinder behind it on rails..that allowed the weight to be shifted forward ( by switch ) as soon as the fuel went lower in the tank , to keep the boat running the same at all times no matter if the tank had 80 or 10 gallons in it !!!!!!!

IT WORKED !!!!!!!!!

Steve 1 07-22-2010 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 3165272)
A sliding tank? please tell me more! i had an idea like this a few years back and thought i was innovative in my thoughts! :D
Any pictures? :)

There are pictures, the tank was setup to be slid forward as the fuel was burned off and it worked pretty good from what I heard. When the Pictures come up I will let you know.

Steve 1 07-22-2010 08:50 AM

Powerplay 33 SS one of the last and a Pretty boat.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2z401nq.jpg

Steve 1 07-22-2010 12:08 PM

Powerplay 33 SS Transom Stbd side view of that Boat,This does not do the Paint justice it was way cool up close






http://i32.tinypic.com/10f3keb.jpg

Wally 07-22-2010 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3165301)
There are pictures, the tank was setup to be slid forward as the fuel was burned off and it worked pretty good from what I heard. When the Pictures come up I will let you know.

And here i thought i had an orriginal idea! :D I thought of the very same thing like 3yrs ago...mounting the tank on a set of rails that get bolted to the stringers and possibly slide the tank back and forth with a hyd ram to chnage the center of gravity or running attitude of the boat on the fly.... if you find the pics the please post them! Thanks Steve, still the top thread on here for sure! :D

Steve 1 07-22-2010 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 3165558)
And here i thought i had an orriginal idea! :D I thought of the very same thing like 3yrs ago...mounting the tank on a set of rails that get bolted to the stringers and possibly slide the tank back and forth with a hyd ram to chnage the center of gravity or running attitude of the boat on the fly.... if you find the pics the please post them! Thanks Steve, still the top thread on here for sure! :D


Wally it was your original Idea,You never saw this boat before.I will post pictures when they are found. and Thanks for the compliment.

Steve 1 07-22-2010 03:47 PM

Powerplay 33 SS Rear view In-Visions Paint on this boat


http://i27.tinypic.com/160eznm.jpg

Steve 1 07-22-2010 04:30 PM

Powerplay 33 SS Paintshop




http://i26.tinypic.com/71nwxs.jpg

Steve 1 07-22-2010 04:34 PM

equals this beautiful Powerplay 33 SS


http://i31.tinypic.com/sls075.jpg

Steve 1 07-22-2010 09:47 PM

Powerplay 33 SS Cockpit

http://i32.tinypic.com/zjxgky.jpg

Steve 1 07-23-2010 08:37 AM

Powerplay 38 CNCed deck plug ready to be shipped south to the factory.


http://i27.tinypic.com/155gu2a.jpg

Steve 1 07-23-2010 08:43 AM

Powerplay 38 Hull core cut for vent area

http://i25.tinypic.com/345n3bo.jpg

Steve 1 07-23-2010 08:50 AM

Powerplay 38 Hull Building Vacuum Bagging Core, here you can see the excess material starting to come up the perforations.




http://i32.tinypic.com/2mnes9j.jpg

Steve 1 07-23-2010 08:57 AM

Powerplay 38 Diesel Engine Mounts


http://i26.tinypic.com/28a16io.jpg

SpeedGirl 07-23-2010 01:31 PM

jeeze you get an award and stop posting :D :violent-smiley-045:

Steve 1 07-23-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedGirl (Post 3166387)
jeeze you get an award and stop posting :D :violent-smiley-045:

LOL No just going through a huge pile of photos.

Steve 1 07-23-2010 02:41 PM

Learning Curve never ends.
When Danny Hired me around this time a decision was made that a Sport Deck was needed in the line, anyway in those days we "winged it" No plans just build it,which is fine someplace's BUT this was Powerplay!

Day one,My Instructions were simple make it a good bit like Danny's 33 well, OK, and do it quick! boats are selling already!! a hull was rolled in and I set it up dead level,Then cut a bunch of deck beams with a 2" crown and screwed them into place and clad the half that was visible coming in the door with some cheap 1/4" AC Fir that I would change for Birch upon approval.

Ok Day 2 morning have the deck framed except for carlins (cockpit) and half the thing clad with build ups, went to the office to get the boss knowing there would be some changes.

SOME !!!! anyway Danny came in the shop "well that is close to what I want"change this and that, But what stunned me when I laid a 12' Batten on it he is standing 20 feet away and says raise it 1/16" a sixteenth!!!!!:eek: Ok we built 11 or 12 of these half deck mock ups before finally I got the Go!

I knocked the deck plug out quick waxed and sprayed it with clear then red tooling and built the mold (one man Band) Meanwhile my oldest son 3 learned to ride a bike in the parking area with the instructions; Son STAY away from the Grey Porsche !!! the other cars I can pay for if you hit them.



http://i30.tinypic.com/25uruy0.jpg

rlj676 07-23-2010 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3166442)
Learning Curve never ends.
When Danny Hired me around this time a decision was made that a Sport Deck was needed in the line, anyway in those days we "winged it" No plans just build it,which is fine someplace's BUT this was Powerplay!

Day one,My Instructions were simple make it a good bit like Danny's 33 well, OK, and do it quick! boats are selling already!! a hull was rolled in and I set it up dead level,Then cut a bunch of deck beams with a 2" crown and screwed them into place and clad the half that was visible coming in the door with some cheap 1/4" AC Fir that I would change for Birch upon approval.

Ok Day 2 morning have the deck framed except for carlins (cockpit) and half the thing clad with build ups, went to the office to get the boss knowing there would be some changes.

SOME !!!! anyway Danny came in the shop "well that is close to what I want"change this and that, But what stunned me when I laid a 12' Batten on it he is standing 20 feet away and says raise it 1/16" a sixteenth!!!!!:eek: Ok we built 11 or 12 of these half deck mock ups before finally I got the Go!

I knocked the deck plug out quick waxed and sprayed it with clear then red tooling and built the mold (one man Band) Meanwhile my oldest son 3 learned to ride a bike in the parking area with the instructions; Son STAY away from the Grey Porsche !!! the other cars I can pay for if you hit them.



http://i30.tinypic.com/25uruy0.jpg

I'd say his meticulous eye created some of the best lines on any performance boat out there! Classic S Fl looks.:drink:

Steve 1 07-23-2010 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3166536)
I'd say his meticulous eye created some of the best lines on any performance boat out there! Classic S Fl looks.:drink:

Without a doubt.

dkwestern 07-23-2010 07:00 PM

Steve, in simple terms is this the order the layup went?
1. Clean/wax mold
2. gelcoat
3. Glass/resin
4. corebond (putty)
5. core material
6. vacuum bag
7. glass/resin
Ready for stringers/bulkheads

I guess I always assumed the vacuum bagging was used on glass/resin, but it appears it is used on the coring.
Does the vacuum draw the paste material up through the core?
Thanks, Darren

Steve 1 07-23-2010 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by dkwestern (Post 3166646)
Steve, in simple terms is this the order the layup went?
1. Clean/wax mold
2. gelcoat
3. Glass/resin
4. corebond (putty)
5. core material
6. vacuum bag
7. glass/resin
Ready for stringers/bulkheads

I guess I always assumed the vacuum bagging was used on glass/resin, but it appears it is used on the coring.
Does the vacuum draw the paste material up through the core?
Thanks, Darren

Yes with the core bonding there are bleeder holes every couple inches never more than three in the Sheet core we use, that lets the air and excess material come through the coreing to the top of the sheet. the vacuum levels are also much higher than in Wet-bagging a Laminate in a ester resin (not epoxy)

Here you can see the Corebond paste coming through the Perforations.



http://i29.tinypic.com/erd6k0.jpg

TOASTY 07-23-2010 07:32 PM

Great History!!!

Steve 1 07-23-2010 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by TOASTY (Post 3166655)
Great History!!!

Thank you Toasty.

Steve 1 07-23-2010 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by rlj676 (Post 3166536)
I'd say his meticulous eye created some of the best lines on any performance boat out there! Classic S Fl looks.:drink:

That Deck came out of Dans head, there were no drawings not one, trust me when I say it is exactly what he wanted when done.

One night I was spraying the last coat of Duratec on that late and in those days used a #7 Binks was fogging that stuff on,heard the Porsche come ripping across the parking lot in first gear stop right in front of my door and the windshield wipers crunch from the heavy over-spray on the glass.

Steve 1 07-24-2010 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by Steve 1 (Post 3166664)
That Deck came out of Dans head, there were no drawings not one, trust me when I say it is exactly what he wanted when done.

One night I was spraying the last coat of Duratec on that late and in those days used a #7 Binks was fogging that stuff on,heard the Porsche come ripping across the parking lot in first gear stop right in front of my door and the windshield wipers crunch from the heavy over-spray on the glass.

The rest of the story is Danny just told me that day the riggers put a large piece of cut off foam from a tank installation on the hood as a joke,Bad move the foam was still out-gassing and damaged the paint it had to be repaired and I just over sprayed the whole car.

Steve 1 07-24-2010 05:56 PM

Powerplay 38 Hull getting Ready for glass, block for the bow eye is in and a little 36 grit sanding is in order then laminate.



http://i29.tinypic.com/2ljru2p.jpg

northernoffshore 07-25-2010 10:15 AM

1 Attachment(s)
1991

Steve 1 07-25-2010 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by northernoffshore (Post 3167300)
1991


Way Cool Thanks. Here is is after testing,Note the Euro hardware Danny was using in those days.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2lbgwns.jpg

budd 07-25-2010 12:29 PM

Steve, how many staggered 33's were built, was it a good combo? Also which was a better performing package OB or IO?

northernoffshore 07-25-2010 12:52 PM

are all those floating pics taken in the tiny lake behind the factory?


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