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05-11-2007 | 03:18 PM
#74
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my 2 cents
I completely understand how you guys feel. Last year we raced in superboat stock in a 10 year old boat. And we knew that the only chance we had of winning was if other teams broke.
That is a hard way to race,and those hours in the shop and all the work you put in feels pointless, knowing everytime you put your boat in the water you get dominated. I assume this is the reason that those 25 super vee's don't show up to the races.
It sounds to me that everyone want a far chance of winning without breaking the bank.
Ok so what does a winner get
1. prize money (which is not millions)
2. a plastic metal trophy
3. checked flag
4. TV interview
5. Pictures
I just watched a video of the class 3 championship race in Dubai 17 stock boats made the start. There were a few guys way up front and the rest were in a pack. My jaw hit the floor watching guys in every place doing deck to deck racing with another boat.
I think this is the awnser to super vee
just run whatever you got
battling for 10th place would be just as exciting(especially for the fans) as battling for 1st
the race would be non-stop action.
and as far a winning goes
Give Everyone 1st-25th
1. prize money (which is not millions)
2. a plastic metal trophy
3. checked flag
4. TV interview
5. Pictures
getting 25 super vees to make a start is winning
if this could be done our sport would grow like never before,
and with that much excitement and entertainment. The TV shows would come back and so would the sponsors. And with that money we could afford to buy newer equipment.
I guess my point is..nothing I have ever done can compare to racing offshore deck to deck. And no matter how outdated your equipment is if you get 25 boats to make a start in any class. You'll be deck to deck with someone. And thats what offshore is all about.
Tague
D&E Motorsports
I completely understand how you guys feel. Last year we raced in superboat stock in a 10 year old boat. And we knew that the only chance we had of winning was if other teams broke.
That is a hard way to race,and those hours in the shop and all the work you put in feels pointless, knowing everytime you put your boat in the water you get dominated. I assume this is the reason that those 25 super vee's don't show up to the races.
It sounds to me that everyone want a far chance of winning without breaking the bank.
Ok so what does a winner get
1. prize money (which is not millions)
2. a plastic metal trophy
3. checked flag
4. TV interview
5. Pictures
I just watched a video of the class 3 championship race in Dubai 17 stock boats made the start. There were a few guys way up front and the rest were in a pack. My jaw hit the floor watching guys in every place doing deck to deck racing with another boat.
I think this is the awnser to super vee
just run whatever you got
battling for 10th place would be just as exciting(especially for the fans) as battling for 1st
the race would be non-stop action.
and as far a winning goes
Give Everyone 1st-25th
1. prize money (which is not millions)
2. a plastic metal trophy
3. checked flag
4. TV interview
5. Pictures
getting 25 super vees to make a start is winning
if this could be done our sport would grow like never before,
and with that much excitement and entertainment. The TV shows would come back and so would the sponsors. And with that money we could afford to buy newer equipment.
I guess my point is..nothing I have ever done can compare to racing offshore deck to deck. And no matter how outdated your equipment is if you get 25 boats to make a start in any class. You'll be deck to deck with someone. And thats what offshore is all about.
Tague
D&E Motorsports
Last edited by 1waterboy1; 05-11-2007 at 03:21 PM.
05-11-2007 | 05:43 PM
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"there are over 25+ Super Vees out there that are 3 to 4 years old...I think the old APBA speed record was around 106 or so with the UTZ boat...today if we held a APBA kilo it would be 116+...thats 10 mph faster...funny...its the same speed differance we are talking about today that the older boats are running...."
Not sure but I think they were running 500 efi's back then .
big diff between that and the 525. Could explain some of the disparity in speed.
I'm not a v bottm guy but I can't wait for the OC race to watch OTC, Wzzup and Cintron lay it dowm
Not sure but I think they were running 500 efi's back then .
big diff between that and the 525. Could explain some of the disparity in speed.
I'm not a v bottm guy but I can't wait for the OC race to watch OTC, Wzzup and Cintron lay it dowm
05-11-2007 | 06:57 PM
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From: Brick NJ
"there are over 25+ Super Vees out there that are 3 to 4 years old...I think the old APBA speed record was around 106 or so with the UTZ boat...today if we held a APBA kilo it would be 116+...thats 10 mph faster...funny...its the same speed differance we are talking about today that the older boats are running...."
Not sure but I think they were running 500 efi's back then .
big diff between that and the 525. Could explain some of the disparity in speed.
I'm not a v bottm guy but I can't wait for the OC race to watch OTC, Wzzup and Cintron lay it dowm
Not sure but I think they were running 500 efi's back then .
big diff between that and the 525. Could explain some of the disparity in speed.
I'm not a v bottm guy but I can't wait for the OC race to watch OTC, Wzzup and Cintron lay it dowm
05-11-2007 | 07:53 PM
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From: LOTO
This is actually a good thread with a few minor exceptions. Not that I race in Super Vee but I thought a few things should be noted for everyone to consider:
• As we all know more classes is not what’s best for the sport.
• Racing and technology go hand in hand, it is impossible to stop teams or manufactures from building a better mouse trap.
• In our sport it does not a good financial decision to continue to upgrade to the new and improved version every year. This always leaves out dated equipment.
• Penalizing a race team or manufacture is not the thing to do because they do their homework either.
• Creating a class of antiquated equipment does not have a future either, no one will want to buy a new boat to fit an old class.
For any class to progress or the sport to progress what about getting all of the equipment owners together and allow everyone to voice their side. Then see what common ground can be reached. There is always common ground, example:
Just based on assumptions but here goes:
Reggie wants to win, run out front, get a checkered flag, and maybe some prize money but doubtful. Other fountain teams may be more interested in the money. Everyone else wants to race, keep their cost down, run existing equipment for some predetermined time, and feel they have a chance of winning without having to spend another 100k on upgrades for the season. Close????
If this is the case why not take the class you have and everyone agree to the common ground. What if, Super Vee stays as it is with a break out speed say 105 (Old Kilo Speed) if new boats come out and wax the field on the first race by say 30 seconds, the next race he is indexed to 30 seconds? The next race he wins by 60 seconds, and then he gets an index of 45 seconds, and so on. Keep in mind he can not run over the speed limit.
The new boat has people to race, the sanctioning body has race boats to showcase, the old boats have a chance to win because of the index, and the superior manufacture gets to show publicly he has the best product on the course?
Not that this would be the answer but the point I am trying to make here is that the class needs to stick together and work out a way that everyone gets what they want it may not be perfect but it would be better then the alternative. Super Vee will die as other classes have or at best you will end up with 3-850’s and 5-750’s running in deferent classes and nobody wins, racing continues to suck. It’s not like we have 10-20 people waiting to write checks for a 300k super vee or 500k Super Cat to get the latest technology or ½ that for dated technology.
Just food for thought, It starts and stops with the equipment owners. The owners have to get together and work out the differences and a sanctioning body with out a biased for anyone to make sure the self serving recommendations do not get out of hand.
• As we all know more classes is not what’s best for the sport.
• Racing and technology go hand in hand, it is impossible to stop teams or manufactures from building a better mouse trap.
• In our sport it does not a good financial decision to continue to upgrade to the new and improved version every year. This always leaves out dated equipment.
• Penalizing a race team or manufacture is not the thing to do because they do their homework either.
• Creating a class of antiquated equipment does not have a future either, no one will want to buy a new boat to fit an old class.
For any class to progress or the sport to progress what about getting all of the equipment owners together and allow everyone to voice their side. Then see what common ground can be reached. There is always common ground, example:
Just based on assumptions but here goes:
Reggie wants to win, run out front, get a checkered flag, and maybe some prize money but doubtful. Other fountain teams may be more interested in the money. Everyone else wants to race, keep their cost down, run existing equipment for some predetermined time, and feel they have a chance of winning without having to spend another 100k on upgrades for the season. Close????
If this is the case why not take the class you have and everyone agree to the common ground. What if, Super Vee stays as it is with a break out speed say 105 (Old Kilo Speed) if new boats come out and wax the field on the first race by say 30 seconds, the next race he is indexed to 30 seconds? The next race he wins by 60 seconds, and then he gets an index of 45 seconds, and so on. Keep in mind he can not run over the speed limit.
The new boat has people to race, the sanctioning body has race boats to showcase, the old boats have a chance to win because of the index, and the superior manufacture gets to show publicly he has the best product on the course?
Not that this would be the answer but the point I am trying to make here is that the class needs to stick together and work out a way that everyone gets what they want it may not be perfect but it would be better then the alternative. Super Vee will die as other classes have or at best you will end up with 3-850’s and 5-750’s running in deferent classes and nobody wins, racing continues to suck. It’s not like we have 10-20 people waiting to write checks for a 300k super vee or 500k Super Cat to get the latest technology or ½ that for dated technology.
Just food for thought, It starts and stops with the equipment owners. The owners have to get together and work out the differences and a sanctioning body with out a biased for anyone to make sure the self serving recommendations do not get out of hand.
05-12-2007 | 09:19 AM
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