Noli, how much longer till you take delivery?

JC still has SAW. He's helping me with some glass work.

might be done tomorrow.

then I have to measure the dash were the helm hole was

the measurement will go to Diamond performance to get a carbon fiber plate to cover the glass work, where the steering helm was.

once the carbon fiber plate comes back...Ocean can put back the steering helm in the centered position.

Last week JC completed:

1. bolting down the 2 front bolsters
2. removed the steering helm
3. patched up the hole where the helm was located
4. new HIN decal

He got all that done in a week?

I think less than a week, I was suppose to pick up SAW last Fri
but couldn't due to work

went by the factory today.

The bolsters have been bolted into the flooring
The hole on the dash where the steering helm was located have been covered

The new HIN is in place.

will pick up by the end of the week...and back to Ocean SAW goes!

Coen told me Noli picked up the boat, and it went to Ocean Outboard this morning

noli, how is your boat coming along ???:grinser010:

sold the motors.

going with racing engines...if the moons are aligned and the blessings are abound


my new preference:

2 x 300XS with sportmaster gearcases

Wow, did you get them yet ?

not yet...the mechanics are currently detaching the fishing engines from SAW...hopefully completed by week's end


planning to order the 300XSes from Jaco's...the cheapest Mercs in the country (for both 4 stroke and racing engines)

http://jacosmarine.com/

Verado fishing engines have been sold.

Will be working with Shaun Torrente Racing engines...

...out of Miami

What happened with going with Jaco's???? Years back when Ocean Outboard was a dealer of ours. A friend of mine bought a 24 Super center console from them. With a 225 Merc, it would only do around 55mph. They tried all different setups with no difference. Kevin then took the boat to Accurate Marine I believe, and when he got it back it was doing 64-65. Big difference.
What #'s did you see with the motors? What RPM? You never said anything? I take it they never really dialed it in? You had no patience?

I have seen people change their minds but this build is interesting...not knocking it ...just interesting and a little perplexing.

Noli - I thought I was a little insane because I want to upgrade to 300's this offseason.....you my friend take the cake. I anxiously await the thread that tells us you got 300 xs's, but decided they arent right for the boat either, so you are getting rid of the boat, having JC build you a 16', putting them on that, and calling it "SALI"- Superboat around long island :)

Btw...was there any actual performance numbers with the verados, would be interesting to see

SERIOUSLY????? I dont think you want to go boating.... I think you just wanna have the longest build thread possible and do lots of CYBERBOATING....

Not knocking STR but WHY?????? And JACOS?????? again WHY???? There are plenty of LOCAL dealers that have competitive pricing and are STARVING and you are gonna buy out of the state and have it re-rigged out of the state?? I dont get that MENTALity......

I see your in Jersey.... I guess once its all together and your local guys close up you can bring it back to tenessee or miami to get repair work done...Thatt will be money well saved.....I love everyone always looking for what seems to be the cheapest price anywhere....In the end they wind up being PENNY WISE AND DOLLAR FOOLISH......

Whats wrong with Ocean O/B?? They seem to have been pretty accomodating in your LOOOOOOONG ass quest to do the Verado rig job.....

This Build is really getting BORING....In the time it took you to rig the boat Elvis BUILT, RIGGED, RAN THE $HIT OUT OF AND IS GONNA REPOWER the 30CC.....Probably sell it and move on before you ever even go for a boatride....

can elvis sell me his pair of 250's? :)

get some pop corn as this will be a long one!

Let me shed some light as to how STR (Shaun Torrente Racing) works:

1. you will need your LOCAL mechanic to remove the heads off of the outboards...STR wants the heads delivered "fully dressed".

2. STR prefers heads that are either 250HP or 225HP 3 ltr engines. If Optimax fishing engines, must be '03 and newer with EFI

3. Ship the heads to STR in Miami

4. STR will do their magic on the engines. From the Optimax fishing engines, STR can convert those fishing engines into racing engines upwards of 350HP

5. STR will then ship the heads back to your local marine mechanic

6. Re-Install the heads and test using new and bigger props...and fly!

7. STR was also saying that he recommends, if using Optimax fishing engines, to install exhaust tuners, and sth else in the exhaust. Water pressure is important so you need to think about that one if you're upgrading your Optimax fishing engines....replace with used sporty lowers perhaps



If you ask for the "wild-all-out" setup, STR will :

1. if the heads are from Optimax fish engines, STR will reflash your '03 and newer ECU, replace the pistons - if needed, replace the cranks, etc. all with an approximate cost of $4,500 (every engine STR gets is different, so this is only approx. total cost)

2. if you send STR a head with the rods sticking out the side of engine block, he can fix that too. STR will close up the hole and install new sleeves. This is an additonal cost because STR has to prep the '03 and newer head before they can even apply their magic.



So using elvis' 30CC as our model here, he would take his 30CC to Accurate Marine, have his favorite mecahnic, GY, remove the heads, crate them up and send the heads to STR.

In a few weeks, STR returns the heads back to Bohemia, and GY returns the heads, do some testing with new bigger props.

Pros:
a. elvis need not get rid of his engines.
b. needn't take a loss from reselling his 250's
c. less labor costs from de-rigging the 250 and re-rigging the 300XS, less labor costs - save $$$
d. needn't touch the x-dimension of the outboards' lower unit, it's already setup
e. keep reusing your engine block, saves money over the long run, and as STR perfects his HP upgrades over time, we all save and re-use our engine blocks.


How to reach STR - Shaun Torrente Racing

email: [email protected]
fone: ( 786 ) 229 - 5801



oh btw George, I sent you a private message on Feb 24, 2011 asking what you were upto. I wanted to open up convo with you and to see how you can do my next rigging(as I've decided over the winter that I didn't want the Verados any longer)...but you didn't reply. Last year I sent you a pm saying sth like, "George Yurick will be the only mechanic to touch SAW after ocean". Dig up that old PM, its in there somewhere

When I got tired of waiting for your reply from feb24's pm, I called elvis on May 19, to get your cell number, elvis replies back 5 days later with Chip's number!

Boy for some local guys who are starving, you guys have a funny way of showing it.

Just a hint of advise, if someone pm's you asking about what you're upto, and you're known in the circle as someone who rigs hi-perf boats...there's sth deeper that's intended in that hello :drink:

Noli- several things:


#1- At this point, what is the purpose of SAW? First it was to cruise the world and get the best fuel effeciency possible, now it seems its for speed? What exactly are you going to use it for? If its speed, understand some of our confusion about taking a set of 250's (which will have five year warranties), and chucking those warranties to make them 350's which, I dont care who is doing the work, is going to make those engines a whole lot less reliable. If you want speed, go for the 300's, because investing 4,500 in each engine (9,000 total) is an expensive proposition, and if you need to replace the crank, the this, the that......you really are just building an engine from scratch. And the cost of rerigging on a swap out of a 250 to a 300.....when the boat is properly rigged for 250's already wouldnt be that much at all....everything hooks up the same, you dont need to respace the engines, if you have tie bars, the wing plates need to be cut in...not much else. I have been told my engines could be swapped in two days if necessary

#2- George is a complete professional and was invaluable in helping me with my boat. He doesnt need hints, advice or anything else when it comes to customer service from anyone... lets not go there....any discussion otherwise is a waste of everyones time and board bandwith.....not up for debate, wont even entertain the thought, its ridiculous on about 472 different levels..... period............end of story! I cant begin to tell you the # of times he has come over on a Saturday, stopped by on a Wed night, called me to say he found a set of props for me to try, heck,he once left the beach on a saturday and drove to my house, with his wife in tow, just to fix what was a very simple little issue for me...........how many guys willing to go that far for a customer? And the PM from me telling you to call Georges boss directly, that was advice from George......as it was the same advice George gave me when I talked to him about rigging mine....since he doesnt determine the pricing on a rigging job. And I know how busy these guys have been, why, because everyone annoying customer like myself is calling in Feb and saying "I need the boat in 4 weeks".....George is lucky he has time to walk the dog somedays...much less check online to read pm's.......I myself was told back in feb by GY himself....call me, not getting online that much. George doesnt need me defending him, he is a big boy, but I consider him one of the top mechanics on long island (everyone who sees my rigging goes..."WOW...who did that?")....and anyone reading this thread in the future will hopefully understand that

#3- Shaun has a great reputation and does great work, if you want to deal with him, have at it hoss

#4- Those 250's will probably be for sale in November......they are a great set of engines


Good luck whatever direction you go in

This is going to become the Best Thread Ever !!!!! noli your making history !!!! lol lol !!!:lolhit:

I am not the one starving here nor is the shop i work for... I was just trying to make a point that i think is valuable.....LOCAL SERVICE.......

As for buying a set of 250s and modding the hell out of them to make 3??+ horsepower i think its foolish on a big boat like the 34.....the 300xs out of the box would do a great job and if you really want to spend money and get crazy then to hell with modding a nice reliable set of motors and just hang a third on it....the boat has the fuel capacity and the weight to offset the extra ass weight.....Or you could buy a pair of 350Vrods which your boat is already rigged for and viola you have the magical 3??+ horsepower you dream of.....

do you want reliability or all out speed?? last i remember it was reliability and servicability so you could cruise to the nether regions of the world which i commended you for....IMHO STR racing engines are for just that RACING....as for reliably running around and all around enjoyment Merc Racing does a fine job of that and i think leaving them box stock is the way to go in your application....i dont care who you are and what magic wand you wave over a modified powerhead longevity is never there strong suit....if it were that easy Merc Racing would do it and be the ones making money off it not aftermarket vendors....again not knocking what STR does i just dont agree with it in your application....if you were running a 21 super that rick built nice and light for ya and you wanted an all out flats weapon then i would say go for it....as for your 34 if you wanted the fastest at this point you should have just went with I/O power....i think john did one with a pair of HP 500s that went in the 90s....i am thinking a little more prop and a pair of 525s 100 would be possible....

as for you sending me a PM in february i dont recall it and my PM box only holds about 10 messages so i always empty it and may have missed it....

I just think that most of us are getting bored of status updates on your boat and wanna see or hear about some action taking place.....

noli, keep your power stock, as for speed, as George said add a third motor. Big crazy power ='s Problems, thats why my y2k is gone.
You have the perfect platform for years of fun. 5 year warrtany's can't be beat.

#1- understood, although not sure worked 250s are going to be as efficient as what you had

#2- my bad...when you left me that message asking me how much 300x's cost and that you wanted to talk to George...I drew the obviously wild conclusion that you wanted to talk pricing ......no idea how I could have made that far a reach :rolleyes:

#3 I have only heard good things....but I think you will be forcing hp into an application (both engine and boat) that you will wind up regretting........if you want reliability, then the last thing you should be worrying about is..."he can fix it if I stick a rod out the side"

#4- Talk to me in October......like I told you in that PM I sent you...I think we could make a lot of people happy at one time:)

#5- LETS GET something on that boat and get it running big guy......a 34' gets build about every five years at this point.....we want to see it running. Personally, if you kept those verados on you could have entered it in the around long island race, with the extra gas tanks....you have a real potential winner

Although I am being a hyprocrit because I want those 300's .....I have to tell you, I boated in my activator for years with a 2.4 bridgeport and a 2.5 EFI.....and every turn of the key started to become a 'cross your fingers' moment.....with the 250's, I just boat! If something goes wrong, I call...and it gets fixed...its a totally different feeling with a lot less worry

What he said :evilb:

a pair of outboards is the way I wanna go...but the 300XS seems like it's not enough...600 controlled HP is not enough.

my dream would be 600 per side :grinser010:




anyone know when these engines will be run?

http://www.seven-marine.com/

Slap 3 - 300xs on that puppy and be done.
Enter the Around LI race and then bring her down here
in Nov. for the Ft.Lauderdale to Key West race and enjoy it.
STR does great work..period. But honestly I would just slap some 300xs with warranty and you have nothing to worry about and enjoy asap.

I'm more interested in trying out new stuff, and I'm not scared of failing...I wanna take risks in new avenues of attaining big HP

I really want to only have 2 engines clamped on the back, less maintenance, less fuel, less weight, less drag in the water



I've observed this pattern with hi-perf engines performance:

1. you get a racing engine - 2 year warranty
2. you beat the engines
3. in the 3rd year sth breaks - out for the season
4. you buy a new powerhead or lowers
5. the 5th year the motor breaks again
6. go to step 1...and repeat over and over (boring!)


why not try this:

1. you build a racing motor for 1/2 the price and get a spare head, all ready to go
2. each generates about 375 HP
3. drive her hard..sth breaks in the block, replace with spare head...keep on runnin', send the broken head back to builder
4. the head comes back from builder...keep in garage
5. go to step 3


haven't thought about the lowers breaking. but could follow the same model with low cost spares

let me do some cost analysis...if this is even feasable

I'd been thinking that it has been too queit around the Super section of OSO... looks like that is going to change... at least for a minute or two.


After reading your plans Noli, why not run tripple stock motors? To me it makes sense vs making 2 motors do the work of 3... you could go with 250xs pro's and have 5 years on all of them.

noli, Stop Smoking Crack, get the boat in the water. lol lol:lolhit:

There is a guy on S&F that is selling 3 250xs for like 20k..buy those send all 3 to STR have him does his work ...then mount 2 and you will always have one spare just in case.

Just do it before fuel gets to $8 a gal...if not your going to need to start looking into carbon fiber....for the mast you will need to put on that thing to sail around LI.

noli, I think you need a Cat hull, to quench your need for Speed, I know where you could get a Real Nice 32' !!!!

don't even mention that, that Sk**** word here

FX10 will come hunt me down...that word shall never be spoken here :grinser010:

ok send me a PM

I hate you! :)


send it now!!!

reply to your PM was sent

noli, nice talking with you today !!! keep me in the loop !!!

These are the one's I was talking about...
http://www.screamandfly.com/showthre...5-250XS-Motors

yeah same here. good luck with yours. send us pics.

I saw those....looks like a nice bunch of motors.

def!

TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES TRIPPLES

Noli the only flaw in your 5 year plan is that you aint gonna keep the boat more than a year or two....just like the rest of us around here....and hell with your track record thats being generous lol......

If i were you i would also think about resale....the market for a 34 with highly modified powerheads is slim to none...now the market for a 34 with STOCK tripples is a little broader and then the market for a 34 with twin 300xs is alot broader....the average guy can buy, run and maintain the thing....my .02 on that....

Noli I think I suffer from the same thing , I'm the happiest when i'm working on something or when it's under construction . The idea of completion will feel like your job is done and you need to move on .
I've never been a fan of your idea of outboards on a big go fast boat to begin with but in the end it's your build and if you wanna stick a couple of 50's on the back of it you should be able to without people giving you $hit ......

As for your need to keep something under construction , just send me you address and I'll send you a couple of my projects to keep you busy and feel needed ! LOL !