Wow! Very weak indeed, jealous and delusional. Looks like you have a problem with Alecs money and what he does with it and they way he does it. Ok, you can own all that.

Forgot one...

This is for teamlessbaha.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8397/stunkin.jpg

I cant say what went on in the pm's between you two, but I do know the things that you and I have talked about. so now I'll move on to your next question. I'll put my answers in blue to each point and hopefully it will make sense to you and others.

Since you got me started, lets shift gears and answer one more question Ive been wondering about. Why dont you let SOS die a slow death...I have been hoping that this happens for months, that is why I have told my friends and many others that have asked me this to not post there, I just on friday had a choice to use one of two insurance carriers, I chose the one that didnt support Serious. and start your own site the same way that site got started? You guys bailed on OSO when there were problems, but when the grass wasnt greener on the other side of the fence, you came back. when we all left oso, there were major problems with the functionality of the site as well as the new owners in many of our own eyes seemed just not to care, so we all left and started serious, it's isnt the fact that the grass wasnt greener, it's just he person in charge was a lying douchebag, the site was put together with the ideas of many people, some worked some didnt, thats ok, but as it grew, one person became more greedy and hungry for power, just like a lil Hitler, it was his way or no way. However all of his was was a house of cards, what person in their right mind would stay? Through the fabricated life storys and lies of boats and lawsuits and Normandy style steel beams etc etc etc, there was no grass just a field of bullsh!t. During that time as people that had left serious wayy before I did, IB/oso, saw that they wanted to get people back and changed the fact that they saw the site was the content the people provided. Server issues went away, so why would I start another site when this one has everything I need, my friends, great photographers, world class racers, people from other countries, industry correspondents and local sections that have opened my eyes and helped me to travel the US and meet like minded people, not LIARS and con men. Not looking to get blasted for this, just curious as to why that didn't happen. Not blasting at all I think that you asked a question that many have though just not put into words, hopefully my answer will suffice :)

You guys do realize that Greg has never once spoke up FOR Sunkin right? He's questioned you guys but he's never said anything in favor of Chris

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NO

What he has done is thrown rocks at us and questioned our honesty. But you are right he hasnt said anything positive about Chris.

He has said about 20 times that all of this is no big deal and move on.

But he hasnt said anything on behalf of Chris.

Actually he hasnt said anything relevant.

Does he live near you ?? :cool-smiley-011:

In all honesty, I see nothing wrong with somebody questioning anyones reasoning, or agenda when they are making bold statements against another individual, cause etc...
Im not talking about attacking someone for their values, beliefs or judgements, just questioning. After all, that is part of their making an informed decision on the matter. Anything less would make them nothing more than a blind kool aid drinking sheep. In general, I would find myself much more trusting of someones statements if they were candid, frank and openly welcomed and answered questions about their resons or beliefs and much less trusting of someone who instantly became defensive, avoided an answer to a direct question and simply screamed his message louder. But thats just me. It doesn't matter what the message is, but one must develope a sense of trust with the messenger to integrate the message. Especially in an era where people have grown fearfull of poisened kool aid.

Here's something that could stand a good questioning. Me, I just think he stole it. How's that for a bold statement?

Thank you for making my point. And a wonderful summation of it too.

You quote me, then instead of saying I agree or I disagree because........ or discussing and/or commenting on anything I said....

You reply with the same robotic answer.

Why even quote me??

Very rarely do I make intellectually based posts. I would much rather crack jokes and be a jackass goofball. I find it a lot more fun. My post was meant as an insight to basic human psychology, a tool for effective communication. You may choose to ignore it on your own decision, fine by me. Last I knew you had a message you wanted to communicate though.

Maybe if I rephrased it, that might help.

Say you are the worlds foremost astronomer. You have just discovered a giant asteroid on a collision course with the earth. You need to warn people. If you run around in circles, flailing your arms and carrying a sign that says 'the sky is falling' while screaming at the top of your lungs... Well you just might miss your target audience.

Like U R tell'n us sump'n we don't know!!!!!!:party-smiley-004::evilb:

Where am I???

The other guy w/a ponytail?

Why doesn't Craig have a beer? Are you sure that picture is real? :) :D

It's in his left hand. :drink::drink::drink::drink::drink:

Thank you, a respectable answer!

Ok, you've got some weird issues. I'm not interested in them. Try to keep focused on what these Sunkin threads are all about. Your too far out.

This topic was started when it was discovered that Chris Sunkin was caught attempting to withold donations intended for a childrens hospital.

It escalated and expanded when other misdeeds both subsequent and prior to that event were unveiled including false boat ownership, mishandling of other monies and the disrespectful treatment of those who had volunteered in the venture known as SOS.

The point has been made ad nauseum regarding SOS under Chris Sunkins ownership being bad for our sport.

Nothing more can be said, and the current environment of people bashing is adding nothing to the soup, so at this point until any new revelations regarding SOS being used as a tool by Chris Sunkin to mistreat this sport appear, its time for closure for me.

To those that helped drive the message home...thank you.

This was just sent to me by a serious member;
So I guess all this had nothing to do with you being a lieing scumbag? :rolleyes:

Well that is a positive step. He's finally walking away.

It is just more lies from him, he should walk away. He makes it out like it was the mods fault and he is some sort of industry saviour they were trying to save the site from HIM, he was the embarrassment. I can assure you one person owns that site, grindstone is the company name, you can put whoever you want in front as the spokesman, but its the same people behind the scenes.

Once a con man, always a con man. :rolleyes:

Good riddance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
When the conversations about starting a new site serving the sport of offshore boating began, the first person I reached out to was Dave Stecz. He shared my opinion that a site run by boaters and purely for the love of the sport would be an attractive proposition. From there the conversation expanded to many dozens of active message board participants and ultimately led to the group effort that developed SeriousOffshore. While many people participated in developing the site, Dave was instrumental in developing key relationships throughout the industry. Over the next two years the site met with a very warm welcome.

As I assume many of you know, several of our former moderators made an attempt earlier this year to take individual control of Serious. When we formed the site, I pledged to those volunteers working to build it that it would be here for them and that it would not be sold. Keeping to that, I declined to relinquish control to that group. At this time though, my ongoing involvement here is a distraction. The site needs to return to it's original mission and founding principles. To that end, I am transferring ownership and control to Dave Stecz. Dave has agreed to continue to guide the site based on its original plan- by boaters, for boaters. And just as before, the site will be about the sport, not corporate or commercial interests. The existing moderation team will continue to do the things that they do.

Dave had a busy 2009 with other business interests. With that behind him he's now got the time and motivation to dedicate to guiding Serious in the direction we originally set forth. I wish him and the Mod team the best of luck.

Chris [end quote/]




I wonder if there are 40 virgins waiting for the martyr???

It didn't have anything to do with me or my actions...it was that evil axis of four that tried to steal the site. At least be enough of a man to admit that you lied about everything on your way out of the room.

Unbelievable :rolleyes:

My thoughts are expressed below. :drink:

posted on SOS, in the Changes at SOS thread!


"Thanks guys! I hardly ever visit the "other" site as you can tell just by what's said it's either a bunch of wanna be's .... or kids who have no clue.... Serious is just that - SERIOUS boaters .....!!!!

Rock on!!!"


I wonder if he was talking about Chris:drink:, Well at least now Chris has more time for his boat projects and resto's:grinser010:

Thats not true. Chris called me first. The next call was Dave Stecz. Thats just a fact.

Are you insinuating that CS doesn't tell the truth????

LMFAO



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So, what you're saying is that Stecz was the second person he called, not the first? Must be another one of those oversights.

def an oversight. You see, I believe in telling the truth. So there's my 15 min's in all of this LOL ;)

How does one go about "transferring ownership" of something one does NOT own to someone else? If Grindstone is the registered owner of Seriousoffshore . com, how can Chris possibly give the ownership to Steczy unless Bootdaddy has had enough of the BS and gives it away?






























I bet 60 grand sure looks like the deal of the century missed now unless Dave made Chris an offer he couldn't refuse. Too bad the damage has already been done to the reputation of the site. Too bad an ego was the cause of all that damage. Too bad an ego was the cause of so many good people choosing to leave.

Funny thing is the site will move from the control of essentially a non boater full of tall tales to a many years boatless boater.

I wonder if anyone running serious has a running, driving boat besides Ratickle Paul?

Funny thing is the site will move from the control of essentially a non boater full of tall tales to a many years boatless boater.

I wonder if anyone running serious has a running, driving boat besides Ratickle Paul?[/QUOTE]

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That is funny chit right there.

Maybe owning a boat only gets in the way of running a successful boating site. :)

Ever heard the saying "that's where 2 fools met"?

Thats not very nice, didnt we establish on page 17 that you dont have to have a boat? :party-smiley-004:

I don't believe a word of that drivel, and putting Dave in charge? unless he has been around alot more from the time we left I wish'em all good luck with that one and oh man can you imagine the main topic of the threads on the Dock now?:eek: I am sure most of you know where thats headed.:bsflag:

Yes, very true, the one thing is to not lie about it :D

Are you suggesting Chris and Dave are "two fools" ?

HMMMMMMMMMM, I do not own a nuclear submarine although I have been on one once, should I start a web site dedicated to submarining? If I did, would it be wise to claim I have owned, raced and crashed several of them?
I do not own an airplane although I have been on several big and small ones, should I start a web site dedicated to areobatic stunt flying or maybe high performance pylon racing? If I did, would it be wise to...........ahh, never mind.

At least Stecz has been upfront from day one that he is boatless and likes sheep. No BS there although his accounting skills related to web sites is somewhat questionable ;)

I wish Dave and SOS nothing but the best of luck moving forward. I have no ill will towards anyone other than the person who caused the current situation. It would have been nice to see some honesty from the one walking out the door instead of more of the same BS.

Craig :)

If true......Stecz is on a fools errand. He knew about Sunkin ripping off the software guy (not paying) and he knew that the charity money was shorted. Obviously desperate people do desperate things.

Great post Davidmnc, very well spoken, best post I have read on SOS.


'Here I come with my .02. Like any one cares right! This site has suffered irrefutable damage due to the actions of 4 mods who left, and an owner who refused to do the right thing for the good of the site. Now we praise his decision to step aside and turn the rains over to Dave. I would say this is a prime example of too little too late. The damage is done. The site has suffered. The members have suffered. I think stepping down was the right call. It just came two months too late. What a shame. Good luck Dave. You have my support. I know that doesn’t mean much coming from some guy from NC who does not even have a performance boat, but good luck.'

Thank you

Apparently TB feels we were foolish to try and pay off CS to just get the hell out. Make no mistake, we were not attempting a take over as CS has so eloquently put it, we were trying to fire an owner that had no business running or even participating in that site. The money we offered was to get him to leave quietly so the site would still be there for all the people that did the real work of building it and called it home. But this has never been about the site, the volunteers, or the sport. It has been about the aggrandizement of Chris Sunkin. He has basically proven that by stepping out now. He was perfectly willing to watch the site tank and kept coming over here with more and more lame excuses and accusations, digging himself and the site into the ground. Now that the site has 1/10 of an inch of gunwale above the water he has decided to (maybe) jump ship. If he is really going to give it to stecz he has basically handed over the wheel to a salvage operation, better start pumping the air bags and bailing with his sippy cup.

ok, now that we know Chris has transfered ownership to Dave:drink:, How many will go back to SOS and post like nothing happened???

[QUOTE=Ted G;3130350]Apparently TB feels we were foolish to try and pay off CS to just get the hell out. QUOTE]

Relax, that was part of the reason I questioned why you guys didnt start your own site. $60k would be one helluva start, correct? Offshoredrillin already answered the rest of it.

[QUOTE=TEAMBAJA;3130383]Because we REALLY didn't want to own a website. We had already spent countless hours and dollars building Serious. To start another one just for the sake of doing it was not in the cards. Hell, CS probably had about 15k in expenses and ours would have been less, but to spend another year or two building it with him saying God knows what about us and the site was not an attractive thing. And frankly there is only so much room for websites about offshore, it is a very small community.