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ICDEDPPL 08-26-2011 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by A.O. Razor (Post 3488658)
It does. It is included in the ASD#6 and ASD#7M kits. It sits in the standoff box, so you don't have to move your engine forward. One of the many reasons why the setup is as strong as it is. I think it's a Velvet Drive trans of some sort.

Thats what I thought so why is he pulling the motors?

UrbanDisturbance 08-26-2011 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 3488954)
Thats what I thought so why is he pulling the motors?

I may be wrong, but I think that the backing plate of the standoff box on the Arneson Drive that is inside the engine room and Transmission serve as the rear engine mount when put together. I read the instructions Rik gave me on how to install the ASD7M, and I think that is the way it is set up. There were no pictures as I hoped, so I am a little confused on how to install the drive myself. I may be wrong. At least I hope I am.... Maybe Rik will join this conversation and clarify it.

kjm5125 08-26-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 3488883)
That sucks you had to move the engines because I heard from Rik that I would not have to. But obviously every boat is different.

Did you have to move them because your notched transom or something else?

No the notch was not an issue.
Installed the drives and engines and bolted everything together. The mounts were 3" apart. They only thing to do was to slide the engines forward.

The transmission is mostly in the bilge and is flush with the exterior portion of the transom. When you take off the access panel that is on the standoff box, you can see the front of the transmission at the transom and the drive shaft.

kjm5125 08-26-2011 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanDisturbance (Post 3489030)
I may be wrong, but I think that the backing plate of the standoff box on the Arneson Drive that is inside the engine room and Transmission serve as the rear engine mount when put together. I read the instructions Rik gave me on how to install the ASD7M, and I think that is the way it is set up. There were no pictures as I hoped, so I am a little confused on how to install the drive myself. I may be wrong. At least I hope I am.... Maybe Rik will join this conversation and clarify it.

You are correct and as previously stated, every boat is different, and on some boats you might not have to move the mounts.

UrbanDisturbance 08-29-2011 01:54 PM

Do you think you will have your boat in the water for Labor Day for test number TWO?

kjm5125 08-29-2011 08:48 PM

If everything goes as planned, I'm hoping for this Thursday.

UrbanDisturbance 08-30-2011 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by kjm5125 (Post 3491346)
If everything goes as planned, I'm hoping for this Thursday.

Good Luck. Don't forget your GoPro. I am curious how hard it is to get on plane. I bet it is going to be tricky, but you should figure it out. Personally, I would try getting on plane with tabs and drives all the way down, then slowly raise the tabs after you gain some speed. That is what I had to do when I had blowouts with clever style hydromotive 4 blade props on a bravo drive, 12,500lb 38 foot Cigarette Top Gun. It allowed me to get on plane and keep the RPM's under 3000 when my engines where still a little cold. Just an idea!

A.O. Razor 08-31-2011 05:49 AM

Good luck with it tomorrow. Looking forward to hear and see how it works out.

4bus 09-01-2011 08:07 AM

:food-smiley-007:

A.O. Razor 09-05-2011 08:23 PM

kjm5125. Have you had any time to get the tranny fixed and the boat in the water?

kjm5125 09-05-2011 09:07 PM

Yes
 

Originally Posted by A.O. Razor (Post 3496388)
kjm5125. Have you had any time to get the tranny fixed and the boat in the water?

I had time for a run Saturday, (Sunday prior commitment and Monday crappy weather)
and the main issue was how to get the boat on plane. Arneson surface drives are very different compared to my Bravo Xr's / Shorties. What you need to do is keep the tabs down and stay on the throttles until the boat starts to plane and then she blasts off. Every adjustment you make with the drives and tabs is highly accentuated when compared to the XR's. I definitely need some seat time to fully understand the handling characteristics.

Next time out pictures and or video.

A.O. Razor 09-06-2011 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by kjm5125 (Post 3496426)
I had time for a run Saturday, (Sunday prior commitment and Monday crappy weather)
and the main issue was how to get the boat on plane. Arneson surface drives are very different compared to my Bravo Xr's / Shorties. What you need to do is keep the tabs down and stay on the throttles until the boat starts to plane and then she blasts off. Every adjustment you make with the drives and tabs is highly accentuated when compared to the XR's. I definitely need some seat time to fully understand the handling characteristics.

Next time out pictures and or video.

Sounds like things are moving in the right direction. What is the rake on the props?

How is the handling when on plane and at the docks?

Looing forward to hear some numbers.

Congratz on your first succesful outing.

UrbanDisturbance 09-06-2011 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by kjm5125 (Post 3496426)
I had time for a run Saturday, (Sunday prior commitment and Monday crappy weather)
and the main issue was how to get the boat on plane. Arneson surface drives are very different compared to my Bravo Xr's / Shorties. What you need to do is keep the tabs down and stay on the throttles until the boat starts to plane and then she blasts off. Every adjustment you make with the drives and tabs is highly accentuated when compared to the XR's. I definitely need some seat time to fully understand the handling characteristics.

Next time out pictures and or video.

VIDEO!!! If I remember, you are trying 5 blade 17" Diameter 31 Pitch Props. Can't wait to see what RPM you are running at WOT......also speed.

kjm5125 09-06-2011 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by A.O. Razor (Post 3496541)
Sounds like things are moving in the right direction. What is the rake on the props?

How is the handling when on plane and at the docks?

Looing forward to hear some numbers.

Congratz on your first succesful outing.

Rake is 18 degrees

Handling will not be a problem. The line does need to be bled. I'm going to add another pump and reservoir.

Performance numbers to come.

kjm5125 09-06-2011 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanDisturbance (Post 3496607)
VIDEO!!! If I remember, you are trying 5 blade 17" Diameter 31 Pitch Props. Can't wait to see what RPM you are running at WOT......also speed.


At 4500 rpm's the ROOSTER was pretty amazing. I was not paying that much to speed, as I was concentrating on trim and tab setting.

skav 09-06-2011 08:55 PM

How would an Arenson work in a single drive v?

A.O. Razor 09-07-2011 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by skav (Post 3497298)
How would an Arenson work in a single drive v?

Give Rik @ Arneson a shout. He can tell you the pros and cons of your particular installation. He's also on the board.

UrbanDisturbance 09-13-2011 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by kjm5125 (Post 3496426)
I had time for a run Saturday, (Sunday prior commitment and Monday crappy weather)
and the main issue was how to get the boat on plane. Arneson surface drives are very different compared to my Bravo Xr's / Shorties. What you need to do is keep the tabs down and stay on the throttles until the boat starts to plane and then she blasts off. Every adjustment you make with the drives and tabs is highly accentuated when compared to the XR's. I definitely need some seat time to fully understand the handling characteristics.

Next time out pictures and or video.

Well, when is your next run. We are waiting on pictures and video....:boat: Can't wait...

kjm5125 09-14-2011 08:35 PM

Try again this weekend. I'm am having steering issues and I have ordered a larger reservoir.

offshorexcursion 09-15-2011 11:53 PM

Thanks for all the updates. I am surprised there has been problems so far but am hoping they are all worth it! The other formula like yours seems to love the bravo to arneson conversion ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjsIl3F3x8 ) Seems like it would have been easier for you since it has already been done on the exact same boat!

Looking forward to updates soon!!!

47EXCALIBUR 09-16-2011 10:36 AM

here is another ASD7M that i did on my boat
http://forums.boatfreaks.org/showthread.php?t=18295
alot of pics and video if this helps answer questions for people interested

kjm5125 09-18-2011 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by 47EXCALIBUR (Post 3504905)
here is another ASD7M that i did on my boat
http://forums.boatfreaks.org/showthread.php?t=18295
alot of pics and video if this helps answer questions for people interested

I did follow your conversion on Boatfreaks, you gave a lot of very good detail. I did know that for my conversion there would be hiccups along the way.

kjm5125 09-18-2011 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 3504658)
Thanks for all the updates. I am surprised there has been problems so far but am hoping they are all worth it! The other formula like yours seems to love the bravo to arneson conversion ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjsIl3F3x8 ) Seems like it would have been easier for you since it has already been done on the exact same boat!

Looking forward to updates soon!!!

Once everything gets dialed in, I'm confident the ride will be incredible. I did not expect it to be "plug and play". Anytime you make a major change, some tweaks are to be expected.

offshorexcursion 09-18-2011 09:07 PM

Great Thread 47Excalibur, thanks for sharing.

km5125, There are always hiccups with custom high performance machines, but thats half the fun! Looking forward to good news soon. Sucks we have not had the indian summer we are used to getting in september though!

47EXCALIBUR 09-19-2011 11:31 AM

once its dialed in you will love it,,, im still testing props and changing a few other things and love the performance and drivability....plus the rooster tail

offshorexcursion 09-25-2011 11:08 AM

Any more testing? pics? videos? Summer is about gone and we all NEED to know more!! Its like our crack addiction!! HaHa

kjm5125 09-25-2011 08:19 PM

Installed the much larger power steering reservoir and I was able to concentrate on getting up on plane. Like I said before, these handle completely different than my XR's. After trying varied drive and tab heights, I found the sweet spot. Once the drives grab, I raise the tabs, she takes off. I'll post a video if my Go Pro quits freezing!

A.O. Razor 09-26-2011 02:00 PM

Looking forward to see it. How are the dock manners with the new reservoir?

kjm5125 09-26-2011 07:08 PM

Docking is just as easy as with the Bravo's if not easier.

offshorexcursion 09-26-2011 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by kjm5125 (Post 3512861)
Docking is just as easy as with the Bravo's if not easier.

I figured that would be the case. Glad an actual arneson owner answered the question because I am sick of people saying that docking would be harder.

Looking forward to a video!!

A.O. Razor 09-27-2011 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 3513026)
I figured that would be the case. Glad an actual arneson owner answered the question because I am sick of people saying that docking would be harder.

+1000000!!!

endeavor1 09-27-2011 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by kjm5125 (Post 3512861)
Docking is just as easy as with the Bravo's if not easier.

KJM5125
If you wouldn't mind could you please tell us what the total cost of the upgrade was so others as well as myself can get a realistic cost of doing something like this really is. And also what the resale value of your boat would be with these drives on it. I am glad to hear the docking is great with these drives. Also, how is the slow cruise on this boat for like night boating? Love the rooster tail that those babys throw up in the air!!! :coolcowboy:

UrbanDisturbance 09-27-2011 10:37 AM

With your power, setup and props your tried, what RPM are you getting at WOT:drink:? Still waiting on some video.

endeavor1 09-27-2011 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by UrbanDisturbance (Post 3513451)
With your power, setup and props your tried, what RPM are you getting at WOT:drink:? Still waiting on some video.

Where is that video at with the formula and the Alice in Chains song Rooster. Bad A$$ for sure

Rik 09-27-2011 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 3513491)
Where is that video at with the formula and the Alice in Chains song Rooster. Bad A$$ for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xCqobn_QO4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMpQs4epiAY

And here is the soundtrack one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjsIl3F3x8

UrbanDisturbance 09-27-2011 12:31 PM

This one is my favorite. I think he didn't have his trim taps or drives all the way down at the start. Bad to the bone!!! Turn up the volume!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdLgh...eature=related

UrbanDisturbance 09-27-2011 12:48 PM

And this is my Cigarette Top Gun now with Bravo 1 drives. My prop shafts are swisted now... Can't wait for Arnesons...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFlVp03iTLA

kvogt 09-27-2011 12:58 PM

Old Cigarette with old Arnesons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziqrK..._order&list=UL

endeavor1 09-27-2011 01:17 PM

Bad A$$ for sure..... Thanks

A.O. Razor 09-27-2011 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Rik (Post 3513534)
And here is the soundtrack one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxjsIl3F3x8

That has become a true classic.

Sweeeet


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