picture this...

only in "tribal flame/I'm a biotch" colors.

Diggin' the new av Jeff. :drink:

are you really 8 feet tall or is that a fountain? :evilb:

I like to wear a boat .... "It fits me like a glove"

LOL LOL LOL

Jeff

If that's directed at me...
any idea what an idiot you make yourself to be questioning my pride-of-ownership in this crowd?

:grinser010:

Was it the drunken puking that blistered your paint job?

'cause I've puked on my Imron with no ill effect whatsoever.

consider a boat with a quality paint job. :evilb:

Nowhere near that far gone FYI. And my Velocity factory paint never did suffer from the problem, and the repaint had no issues at all, nor did the last Fountain and all were painted with the same PPG base/clear system, as was the present one.

This might be my "selective" memory here again, but I seem to remember your new Formula having some paint on the windshield frame problems, and some other issues that required a trip to Fast Foreward for some attention. Little wet sand and buff deal, I admit nothing you did, but in need of some work. I guess in my case I could not control the prior owners care anymore than you could control a dealers care of a leftover yard piece.

As far as Imron goes, have had two face to face conversations with the area Dupont paint rep and he would not commit to the Imron system holding up underwater. He stated that the system is not designed for, nor could he recommend it's use in that situation. Essentially the exact same thing that both the local PPG rep as well as the Company expert have told me. It's all a crap shoot, sometimes it works, sometimes it just don't.

Why fault me because I have the ability and knack to do this work on my own? You sent yours to Fast Foreward for the buff up to get rid of the chalk. Why would I spend my money to have someone do what I can do myself.

Lets just get all this paint chit in one place.................

Rip..... had some chit that Fast Foreward worked on, and some windshield frame paint that was coming off that needed to be dealt with when new.

Axa...... had his at Fast Foreward for a buff job to deal with loss of gloss in the gel coat or whatever you care to call it. I Have even offered to help/show my good buddy how this is done if he was willing to invest the time and effort.

Hot Stepper...... has paint that is focked up near the fuel vent for some reason. But chooses to live with it as it is. Oh well, to each his own.

Got Twins....... has a great looking boat, but does suffer from crazing, his term, in the paint. Exchanged many PMs and phone calls with me last winter about what I was using for products to put the shine on the Biotch. Which by the way I shared with him though I had never met him in my life. Right Jeff?

Bird....... have heard him mention lots of hours to make his boat look it best. Must be that same pride in ownership that also drives me to put all the time into getting mine to the point I can stand back and tell myself "Lookin' Good". Kudos to you Bird!

Me.......Well some dumb a$$, other than me, must have done something wrong when the Biotch was painted. This problem was apparent when I bought this boat and the dealer was up front about it, we came to an agreement as to the dollar value and they delt with it. I don't care to live with it as it is, so I am having it repaired. Not a single one of you have not had some issue that you felt you wanted to take care of.

So I ask you, other than the fact that my boat is a Fountain, what the Fock is the big deal here?

Let's not...Oh wait...you already have...LOLOLOL

Missed his trip to Fast Forward Too!!

LOLOLOL

You really need to only read the posts here instead of reading "into" the posts and making false conclusions. Your expression of anger in your posts only shows your ability to create a situation that may very well not even be there. Settle down there old buddy and drink some bourbon. :ernaehrung004: It'll get better.









Once you get a FASTER boat!!!

Hahahhaha

Dave....Still faster!

being a leftover with another 353 ahead of it sell, the dealer chose to leave my boat shrinkwrapped rather than see it become an amusement park for prop kicking "wannabees"
(and no, I don't intend to go back and edit that term out, when that's what I meant)

anyways...the shrinkwrap no doubt trapped a certian amount of moisture between the plastic and the w/s frame which discolored (darker) the metallic that Taylor sprays the frames with
as well as the stand-off blocks on the side of the boat left "scuffs" on the hullsides after nearly two years wrapped
and having been almost 20 mos. since production to service without a proper "waxing" of the deck, (just ozone attacks/fades unprotected gel in that amount of time) I thought could have looked better...and being a new boat, a Formula nonetheless, purchased from a Premier Formula dealer...
well, I figured it was worth a phone call to see what could be done for me.
Is the Formula ownership experience all they say it is?
Bet your azz it is!

2 things...

NONE of this was a Formula "quality out-the-door" issue.

All I said was "I'm just not happy with the appearance" and the response I got was...
"got a shop in mind?"
"go to town till your happy and have them bill us directly"
(try that with Fountain)
so yup...
with that in mind I had it detailed including softening the edges of the clear around the "Formula Racing"...
that I doubt very much another buyer would have had a problem with, but I am VERY particular as you know, and the door was open!

so in essence the boat left Formula in prestine condition I'm sure, the finish and build quality was all there the day it left
has been detailed once 5 years ago
and still looks new inside and out.

and like I said prior
no upholstery work to correct poor-fitting vinyl
and no paint needs to be sprayed on this Formula twice the age of your Fountain.

a boat, I might add that has spent the equivelent of a year and-a-half slipped in the water.


busting your tiny balls.

I was under the impression that Bird had done his own work. None the less, those that can do, those that can't pay someone else then wonder why it's not up to their expectations. Now tell me you were 100% elated with what they did for you.


Do you think I should? Is that even possible? I mean to be faster than Super Bird Boy?



BTW...... How's things in the World Champion Racer world these days? Looks like your owner Doug has had his fill. You putting together your own team for next year to carry on the loosing legacy?

"Here's your chance to own the race boat that the Black Biotch spanked!"
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and apparently, the free time.

what is it you do again? :rolleyes:

fact check there elfin' magic

I didn't pay
shouldn't have
wouldn't have

and I was happy.

It hasn't stayed looking like that since then because "I can't". :rolleyes:

Rick at East Cost disclosed the problem before I ever went to see the boat. I brought up the paint, the response was here is the estimate that Dan, the owner also in on my deal, has had done on the work, we will make it right. Done. Any different here?

Truth is that there is not a single manufacturer of the paint these boat builders use, including Formula with their Imron, that will in any way, shape, or manner guarantee or even remotely recommend their paint below the water line on a boat whether it's in the water for 5 minutes or 5 months.

Manage things! :D

Commercial and residential properties. Just finished up a 100K+ lease renewal upgrade on the Verizon rental, have a contractor doing major lease upgrades on the Encon building to set them up for the next ten year haul. Spent my free time this summer doing the annual rehab on my 7 townhouses, threw in a bunch of new doors and one complete kitchen reno. Few odds and ends on the commercial spaces in my downtown building to keep those folks happy. This past Tuesday and Wednesday on the roof of the downtown building with Pete Perry replacing one apartment skylight and all day today by myself on the roof doing some general maintenance, and will be back up there all day Friday, weather permitting. Kinda like the boat storage barn biz, only a little bit bigger and slightly more demanding.

Then there is the dabbling in the contract flooring biz. Spent all summer on the SLU campus doing the second largest flooring job I have ever done, as well as a bunch of other assorted smaller jobs for them as well. A decent years worth of flooring biz work in 3 months, all done ahead of time, and I might add the only one on the project with a "zero" punch list. Back on campus thruout the upcoming semester break for some additional work for them. Not to mislead here, I don't actually do the installs, I just manage all of it.

Other than that not really too much, I just generally fu@k off most days, wax the boat and drink an occasional cocktail. But what the fu@k, that's why they pay me the big bucks.

And you lately?

I cannot begin to imagine you moving fast enough to do half of what you list...

but hey...
It's your Donald Trump dream, blow it up in full color.

so basically what your saying is you rent a couple of storefronts and did one flooring job this year?

Just curious, is that building what you were given when your brother stepped into dad's GM dealership?

I wouldn't stray into real job-for-real job "demanding"...

you don't have a clue. ;)

but the upside is that when I leave this building
it's behind me for the day (or 3-4 days :D)
and the rest of life is easy in comparison.

What can I say sport, it's all done. Effective management!

And no, no freebies from Roy C Barstow, nobody gave it to him and he wasn't about to give it away. I did buy the building from my father and he did at one time hold the mortgage, as he did on the dealership for my brother, as well as the NAPA store for my sister and brother in law. It was his retirement program. He did not however front the money for the townhouse build deal and the Historical rehab on the downtown building, he threw me out on my own for that 400K. Honestly, he was not in favor of that whole brainstorm of mine, but he did support my right to fall on my face all by myself. I am today what that man allowed me to become. Any more questions?


Parting thought here.................. I would bet that if the Donald had a barn......................It would be just like yours.

Well you chose your path, I chose mine. Look at it this way, you could be worried about the market, money under management, loss of portfolio value,( I think about that but it will either come back around or I'll die and it won't be my problem anymore) calls, puts, futures, bailouts, and all that depressing chit, not a fun day to day issue. Life's Good! Wax on ,wax off!

Must be nice to play on the hospital's dime. Slow night perk?

funny chit.

there are no slow nights here anymore
ever heard of the big army base?

actually I just came down out of the OR and the first thing I wanted to get done was blow you a goodnight kiss.

your surmising I don't have investments?
fool

yea, the historical preservation/restoration grants can be pretty juicy depending on where you are.

That 200 year old limestone house on Main St. in B'ville is going to be getting some serious cosmetic and structural restovation.
It's more about preserving the structure, they really don't care about useage.
The process (like any gubermint program) is a lengthy PITA tho.

hmmm....seems I remember some issues with the clear...

I think you missed on this one, you were on the go home and put the job behind you program. My comment has nothing to do with your investments.

Potsdams original downtown reno program was not a grant freebie deal. Basis was min of 20% owner cash in first, max 40% bank loan, and max 40% Village UDAG funds at about 2% less than bank rate. No loan term, bank or UDAG, to exceed 10 years. 100% control of facade to Village for 10 years, you did not put a push pin in it without their consent.

Their recent round was a grant deal, no pay back, up to 50% of project with 50% owner cash in first. I was offered early dibbs on this one. But passed because the program did not allow sale of the property for a 10 year period. Sale of the property triggered a pay back clause of the grant funds. Also restricted you in terms of contractor choice, and required wage structure on the project.

Not at all, the transom was full of water and rotted out, but the paint was perfect.

So let me get this straight...You raced the Activator on the River? I don't recall that. Doug took a friend of his for a ride in the race boat and I served as a chase boat for him.

But you should hang that win on the wall!!

HEADLINES: 35 Fountain w/ twin 525's (8500lbs) beats 27' Activator with a SINGLE 525 (5100 lbs) in a straight line, in calm water, with NO other boats around! Sounds like a race to me!

I'd be proud of that! Might as well add a 24' Baja with a 350 Mag in as well...or how about a 190 open bow SeaRay. So many boats...so little time.

As for the dangers of running next to the race boat...I've heard of and seen too many accidents where people get hurt and killed while testing. We take testing very seriously. Full gear and a chase boat. I asked you to give them room, because they can't see you. Since you have never raced a boat...You don't know. Don't even start with the poker run crap either. Until you have been in a race boat, in a race situation...Your comments are WORTHLESS!!

Dave (the faster of the two!)

you guys are hilarious, this pissing contest is one of the funniest threads on here

None taken

Damn, you go to DC to congratulate O'Bama for a few days and the thread jumps 7 pages. Let me slice this from a new angle. When I bought the Donzi I had an issue with the top deck and prior to delivery the boat was sent to Kolor Kraft to be fixed. During the first season I had the boat it was there no less than 5 times, their customer service was horrible and they constantly missed promise dates. In the sun it looked like robins egg blue instead of white. The next spring I had Fast Forward fix the issue to the tune of $2k out of my pocket. Pete, how did you get hooked up with them?

[QUOTE=RaggedEdge;2733407]Lets just get all this paint chit in one place.................



Hot Stepper...... has paint that is focked up near the fuel vent for some reason. But chooses to live with it as it is. Oh well, to each his own.


Not that I choose to leave it as is. Somthing about not having the boat available during the summer seams wrong to me. Then finding some one to spray imron, I've found to be very time consuming.
Would any one suggest using a different paint and just matching the color? If so I could get it done most anywhere.

Well after the guy up here went and chit out on me at the last minute, I called Monte to see if he would do it. No go, no shop space large enough. I talked to Cary DiCosta and he said that Greg would do a good job for me. Also talked to Larry over at Bonnie, Greg did the work on his black 38 EC with the exact same problem. Larry said the work was fantastic and the problem did not come back after all this past summer in the water. Over the years I have seen a lot of Gregs work and always looked to be well done. He just finished Rosens 50 Mystic, the new Aqua Mania race boat. Monte mentioned Fast Forward but I never thought the work they did on Marks 45 Sonic was very well done, and Mark does not have them doing the marina work anymore. Long story short, I've see his work, I know him reasonably well, Cary is a pretty fussy guy and says he would use Greg, so that is the deal. My choice was to do myself with help from my brothers body shop guys or farm it out. Biggest problem is finding a shop with space large enough to do it. Where it sits right now would work fine but my friend that owns it has it for rent. If it does we move the boat to his other building which is new and a fine place for it, but no heat. I would be fu@ked if half done. So off to Gregs early in the week.

Almost forgot, hows N' Obama? What puzzles me here is he has a white mother, a black African father, raised by his white grandmother after they both split, so how is this guy the first "Black American" to become President? Wouldn't he be a brown or milk chocolate Prez at best? I only ask in that you seem to be close to the man.

[QUOTE=Hot Stepper;2734177]

I would check into that, I don't think Velocity was/is using Dupont Imron. Far as I know it's PPG base/clear system. Doubt the fuel would ever hurt the Imron, chemical resistance is one of it's benefits.

I guess in that the boat owner had no problem with us running with him, shooting some video and pics, I'm not going to get to concerned here. Far as I know he appreciated Samanthas efforts with the camera. I guess you're right, you might not have been in the boat, but I would assume that Doug can handle it just fine on his own, he appeared to be doing just that, and I doubt that your presence in the cockpit would have added to it's top end. Though we have heard all summer that if he had just let you run the show instead of him you would have finished every race and been winning all the time.

As for the dangers............ Well I'm still here! And maybe you should just face the fact that I do know what I'm doing. I had my own fast little Checkmate MX when you were still chittin' your diapers. I've been faster in a boat than you ever have. Not just as a passenger either. Running the show in both Vees and Cats in excess of 100 mph, clocked more hours at that than you have in the race boat. No, I've never had the chance to run a canopied boat, but in reality the hull does not know if it has a canopy or not, and it is going to do what it will with or without one. The only time it might come into play is if you are upside down, and if you're smart you avoid that. I think, not positive here, but I really do think I could make it thru a race season and manage to get no / zero wins and one actual finish a few laps down. Look at the season this way, you were the least competitive boat in the largest class in your OSS series. Hopefully you did at least have some fun.

Yours truely, Bite Me "Worthless" Fountain Boy (The one that's been the fastest :p)

Please do explain this one here. The same travel lift that you claim / argue so accurately weighed your Formula comes up close to 2000 lbs off on my Fountain? Same operator, Bobby, same machine, likely within a few inches of the same location in the same marina had it just a little under 10,500 with half fuel and me in it, how is it you figure this chit out?


Anxiously waiting, Bite Me "Worthless" Fountain Boy (The one that's never blowed up :eek:)

Axa,

Made a change just for you Dave, now the dog and pony show is all yours now!

Hope you like the new avatar, took this pic myself, Samantha says it shows my artistic side. Nice serene picture, don't you think.

As Always, Bite Me "Worthless" Fountain Boy (The artistic one :D)

not a snoballz chance in hell that thing wieghs 10,500 even with a full bag of fuel.
It might with a full bag and on the trailer.
and "you in it"? what the hell difference does that make?
I typically take a cooler aboard for the day (full of soda and food of course) that wieghs more than the typical elf.

I have scales right next door at my disposal with 10 lb. accuracy regardless of total.

we'll have to run yours across in the spring Dave, and then I'll run the trailer after launch

man...you dreams are in technicolor aren't they?

All I can say is last time in the slings as Bobby was putting me back in it just popped in my head, so I asked him. It's his number, not mine, as I said I was in the boat to back out of the slip. I assume his math was working as well as when he weighed Axas. You do have to add the weight of both slings together for a total. I'm saying 1/2 fuel cause the gauges were just under 3/4s, 80- 100 in fuel would be my guess. Web site says 8500 on the single step EX, and 9500 on the Lightning. Do the math. 9500 + 700 in fuel + me @ 140 dry + assorted chit? Sounds close to me, give or take a couple.

I give up here, Dave claims his is way faster so his might just as well weigh more. And while we are at it I might just as well admit his is way older and has countless more hours on it too. Did I miss anything? Damn I did :(, many more engine failures too.

As always, Bite Me "Worthless" Fountain Boy (Thankfully not the overweight pig of the two)

Don't be calling me colored, I'm not running for any office here.

Now logging more hours than he has in that race boat is admittedly not a big feat but I know I have more seat time up there than he's ever seen. He!! Mark threw me the keys to that 30 Eliminator Daytona a couple times and told me to go do the after Poker Run Chamber thrill ride deal. Roger LaPierre called me one afternoon and had me take his 36 Daytona out and shake it down after some shop work was completed the day before one of the TI Poker Run, he was at a golf tournament, poor F'n me I was working at the marina that friday afternoon. Odd that folks trust my judgment and abilities with pieces worth umpteen times more than the Chillin' machine yet he thinks I'm some braindead cowboy. Then the multi PRs with Mark team driving the 35, then the 41. Not to mention time spent with Monte, Anthony, Doc Marescas Cheetah, Bruce in the cat he bought for Chad, that one even had Christopher a little nervous.

And I promise I did not count any time spent like this! In all fairness neither should Dave.

Yours as always, Bite Me "Worthless" Fountain Boy (Not the one on the chitty end of a rope)

Well, if it really matters...This year on the haul out mine read just over 12,500 empty on fuel! The first weight was a few years ago when the travel lift was new. I have the certified Cat Scales weight slips from the truckstop in Mexico of the rig, boat and trailer and then the rig and trailer Both on the same day with fuel in the truck to be close to the same, 9800 lbs. if I recall correctly..

We forget about the launch on July 4th weekend, the haul-out July 5th for a blown up motor, then the entire wasted summer trying to rebuild a pair of motors. Then finally getting the boat back in the water by Labor Day. What year was that? Then selling the no power, oil burning pair to the poor sap that bought the 1999 Fountain....Yea, you probaly forgot about that! And how much of that work did you do yourself? Remember the "Why should I pay someone for something I can do myself" speach? (with the deleted "with much better results"... I saw it)

You are the best!! Just admit it!

Dave