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Originally Posted by TylerCrockett
(Post 3571465)
You misunderstood the three pistons not being coated. When the engine was built it had 8 pistons that were coated when we tested the boat at Fountain we burnt 3 pistons. That three were the ones we replaced and the coating did not affect the balance. And I am going to say one more time it was only the Starboard motor that was getting hurt not both........... 10X made the best statement above and I am all done commenting on this thread. DENNY here is the schedule I had to work with Note I had 4 days to order 3 custom pistons, Build the motor and have shipped back out in 2 days they cannot even do that on junk yard wars !! SCHEDULE I would like to start off by thanking everyone for trying to pull this whole thing together last week. Even though it didn’t quite work out, I feel confident that we are moving in the right direction. Below please find a schedule that I put together, which I feel is doable…it will be tight, but if everyone tries to make this a priority then I believe we can accomplish the dates. Please advise if I am off base.
9-6-11 (Today) Stbd Motor ships out this afternoon from RF to TC AND RF ships all 4 headers to CMI 9-8-11 Motor Arrives @ TC (Headers should arrive @ CMI as well) 9-8 – 9-12 TC repairs Stbd Motor (TC will stud head on Stbd motor prior to shipping to RF…he will stud Port Motor when he returns to RF to tune) 9-12 TC ships motor to RF (PM Pickup @ TC) 9-14 Motor and Headers Arrive @ RF (TC flys into NC in PM) 9-15 – 9-16 TC/RF install head studs on port motor, install stbd motor, install headers, lake test, tune….etc. 9-16 Seeley’s arrive in NC late afternoon/evening 9-17 Rip **** on Pamlico river with everyone….(My driver/hauler should be @ RF by around 5pm….if my truck doesn’t **** up again. LOL.) 9-18 Seeley’s fly out of NC Additional notes for TC/RF Tyler: Please order and install the MSD upgraded ignition you talked to me about on BOTH motors. Remember to bring Port motor head studs with you or make sure to ship them to RF Please test all injectors on Stbd motor like we talked about. Test intercooler…just to be safe RF: Please have trailer gone through…brakes, lights, bearings, etc. Thanks! Please....lets stop this...I dont want to bring out any more ammo...but I will if I have too. |
I'm sure this thread will continue with the back and forth jabs, but I would like to hear how the rebuild is going with updates/pics. Eric, how about starting a new thread (a positive one, no mention of Tyler) that documents things moving forward with Eddie? I think it would be good for your soul right now to have a positive thread that gets you excited about boating again. :ernaehrung004:
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Originally Posted by TCBoss302
(Post 3571531)
I'm sure this thread will continue with the back and forth jabs, but I would like to hear how the rebuild is going with updates/pics. Eric, how about starting a new thread (a positive one, no mention of Tyler) that documents things moving forward with Eddie? I think it would be good for your soul right now to have a positive thread that gets you excited about boating again. :ernaehrung004:
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Originally Posted by TCBoss302
(Post 3571531)
I'm sure this thread will continue with the back and forth jabs, but I would like to hear how the rebuild is going with updates/pics. Eric, how about starting a new thread (a positive one, no mention of Tyler) that documents things moving forward with Eddie? I think it would be good for your soul right now to have a positive thread that gets you excited about boating again. :ernaehrung004:
However, I could not agree with you more. I would like to get this thing back on track...and keep in going in a positive direction. I think all can agree that I have been pretty upbeat considering all the crap that has gone down..and I have no intention of changing that from here on out. Lets just keep the thread as it is...with well over 50k views...I think its a good idea so those that have been following it can keep informed. I will get in touch with Eddie today and see if he can post some info/pics for everyone. Again, thanks for everyone's interest/support. Eric |
[QUOTE=TRL505;3571542]I tried to do that...but unfortunately it went this direction.....temporarily.
However, I could not agree with you more. I would like to get this thing back on track...and keep in going in a positive direction. I think all can agree that I have been pretty upbeat considering all the crap that has gone down..and I have no intention of changing that from here on out. Lets just keep the thread as it is...with well over 50k views...I think its a good idea so those that have been following it can keep informed. I will get in touch with Eddie today and see if he can post some info/pics for everyone. Again, thanks for everyone's interest/support. Good enough! And yes, you have been very upbeat under the circumstances.... |
50K views? Dude, get your business name and info on here. Maybe some business will come your way. At the least you could write all this off as "advertising".
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Originally Posted by 1 MAIDEN AMERICA
(Post 3571729)
50K views? Dude, get your business name and info on here. Maybe some business will come your way. At the least you could write all this off as "advertising".
Not a bad idea though.... |
I shared this with my good neighbor who builds car engines. Not marine but he knows more than me.
And hang in there you're in the home stretch with Ed. First thing noted is welding on heads?????? If I built 975 hp motor this would be NEW HEADS not welded on used ones……. Gotta pay to play…. next reply I know from my dealings that eagle rods ARE not the best and are used on lots of BUDGET Builds on cars … they work fine on them….. but 900 hp supercharged boat 9PSi that’s big league stuff Hi HP stuff should look elsewhere for parts….. Again…… there is risk with performance parts every time you turn the key Bet your glad it was not your boat…. OUCH |
It really sounds like you are in good hands now for sure. It also sounds like Tyler did the best he could. And he did not try to screw anyone. But he did the best he was able to do.
If you have trouble with your current engine builder ( I'm sure you won't, but) . You could count on my personal engine builder. Bill Dunsmore Marine. ( He built the motors in Paul Tracy's cat.) His work is very reliable, very precise and resonable. If I need anything on my Merc 575's. He will be my first choice. Good LUCK! |
TRL - Eddie
What kind of shape are the Eagle parts in? 4.25 crank and 6.135 rods? I might be interested... |
I will have to look better at the rods. The crank is in really good shape. It just needs to be polished. I didn't really spend much time going over them since I knew I wasn't going to use them. I will check them out and get back with you. The crank is a Gen VI and I'm pretty sure the rods are 6.385.
Eddie |
Originally Posted by Young Performance
(Post 3572260)
I will have to look better at the rods. The crank is in really good shape. It just needs to be polished. I didn't really spend much time going over them since I knew I wasn't going to use them. I will check them out and get back with you. The crank is a Gen VI and I'm pretty sure the rods are 6.385.
Eddie Please do. |
Originally Posted by Griswald
(Post 3572495)
Please do.
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Originally Posted by TRL505
(Post 3572515)
Ill get with Eddie on all this....
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Come on Eddie weres the pics and info , its getting boring here .
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Originally Posted by Downtown42
(Post 3571833)
I shared this with my good neighbor who builds car engines. Not marine but he knows more than me.
And hang in there you're in the home stretch with Ed. First thing noted is welding on heads?????? If I built 975 hp motor this would be NEW HEADS not welded on used ones……. Gotta pay to play…. next reply I know from my dealings that eagle rods ARE not the best and are used on lots of BUDGET Builds on cars … they work fine on them….. but 900 hp supercharged boat 9PSi that’s big league stuff Hi HP stuff should look elsewhere for parts….. Again…… there is risk with performance parts every time you turn the key Bet your glad it was not your boat…. OUCH |
While you are correct, that is not the case here. There are no custom, big tapered pushrods, no port floor welding, etc. This is nothing exotic. I believe the chambers were welded after it smoked a piston(s). Again, these are nothing special. They are nothing that hasn't been done before by several builders. All in all, it's a pretty easy build.
Thanks everyone else for your interest and confidence in me. I took quite a few pics when the engines were taken apart. I will not post them. I sent them to Eric and what he does with them is his choice. I don't want to be accused again of attempting to throw anyone under the bus:rolleyes: There isn't really much to report right now. They are apart and awaiting parts. I will be glad to post some pics as soon as there is something to take a picture of. Thanks, Eddie |
Another thought
Put a flow meter in the fuel line. Plumb the line right back to the tank after all the filters and coolers and a temporary orifice. The orifice should only allow the max fuel your engine could possibly use. Turn the pump on. Drive the boat around town to simulate water conditions. Up, down, bumpy, L and R while recording the data. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-MDnwzTJR8 This will verify pump ability and if there are any restrictions inline somewhere that get bounced into the wrong spot at times and/or a fuel pump that is intermittent under certain conditions. When the engines are running in neutral, wiggle, rattle, pull and tug every wire HARD, every spot possible, from the helm to the engines and watch tach/listen for anything weird. I had an alarm go off on my boat sporadically with no codes stored. Usually when warm. I put a wrench on all the grounds and one on the bulkhead tightened a half turm, maybe. That solved the alarm. I see this on cars all the time. Things look good, and may even be tight. Take the connections apart, clean them, reinstall and problem gone. I own a transmission shop. We flush all coolers before reinstalling the trans. Sometimes we still have to replace them. I've seen coolers flow well cold to hot then all of a sudden slow down due to something in the cooler that just moved to the wrong spot. After a bit it magically starts flowing again. |
TRL: Everyone's focused on what's happened, but what about what's planned. I know Eddie said parts are on order, where are you headed? Staying 540ci or going larger? Is Eddie just going to make these bomb proof or is there more in the works while he's in there?
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Originally Posted by Jpzaluski
(Post 3577165)
TRL: Everyone's focused on what's happened, but what about what's planned. I know Eddie said parts are on order, where are you headed? Staying 540ci or going larger? Is Eddie just going to make these bomb proof or is there more in the works while he's in there?
We are going to 555ci....holes are to far out to hone...this should give us room for a couple more re-builds on down the line. We upgraded to Howard Rods...and I dont know if Eddie went with a Callies Crank or a Lunati...or Howard. Last we spoke he was weighing out the options on which one to go with. We will need a different cam...cam that is currently in motor is incorrect. Eddie feels that with the bottom end he is building..motors will be good up to 1200hp. We are hoping for close to 1000hp on this build. The heads will be the limiting factor. Once he flows the heads he can get a better idea on potential HP..as well as which cam he is gonna go with. We are also switching to a distributerless ignition. Basically we are getting new rotating assembly, re-bore block, gaskets, bearings etc..and re-using blower...lol. |
Did y'all mention something about a dual pick up before? . . . Any pictures on that and how its done..
Thanks |
Coppycat !!!
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Originally Posted by TRL505
(Post 3580178)
Eddie Correct me if Im wrong here...
We are going to 555ci....holes are to far out to hone...this should give us room for a couple more re-builds on down the line. We upgraded to Howard Rods...and I dont know if Eddie went with a Callies Crank or a Lunati...or Howard. Last we spoke he was weighing out the options on which one to go with. We will need a different cam...cam that is currently in motor is incorrect. Eddie feels that with the bottom end he is building..motors will be good up to 1200hp. We are hoping for close to 1000hp on this build. The heads will be the limiting factor. Once he flows the heads he can get a better idea on potential HP..as well as which cam he is gonna go with. We are also switching to a distributerless ignition. Basically we are getting new rotating assembly, re-bore block, gaskets, bearings etc..and re-using blower...lol. |
I have used their billet rods in a ton of 1000+ hp builds and have not had a lick of trouble. However, I have stayed away from the rods for a little while now. They switched machining facilities and there have been some bugs. They were having problems with the small ends of the rods in that they were machining them too large and the bushings didn't have enough press fit and were falling out. This all came from the owner himself. He actually told me to hold off on buying them for a while since he knows I buy quite a few and certianly don't want any problems. According to him, it's all good now but I think I want to wait a little longer. I was going to use them in 575 cat's engines but just wasn't comfortable yet. We are going to use Olivers in this build since they want enough bottom end for future upgrades in heads and blowers.
Just like the Howards rods, I have been very happy with the Howards cranks. There are no problems with them and I will be using them here. You are correct Eric that we are going to 555 ci (4.560 bore). The cylinders have about .0085 clearance now before honing. They also have about .0005 taper from top to bottom and about the same out of round. They would just be entirely to large after honing. The larger bore will also help with unshrouding the valves and helping those mediocre heads to flow a little better. You are also spot on with the rest of it Eric. Once I know the flow of the heads then we can plan the rest. Eddie |
Wow, What a read. I just read this hole tread. Good luck. It sounds like your going the right way now. Happy New Year with Your boat. Cain't wait to see how it runs when it's all done.
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Originally Posted by akaboatman
(Post 3581344)
Wow, What a read. I just read this hole tread. Good luck. It sounds like your going the right way now. Happy New Year with Your boat. Cain't wait to see how it runs when it's all done.
Thank you...I cant wait either...its been a LONG time comming. |
Been following it myself. Best of luck to you on your project. Sounds to me like Eddie is the right builder for your application.
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I've known Eddie a long time & he is one anal mofo!! your motors will be right!!! Many years ago he helped me build a 516 to put in my cat. We finished the install at 3am, fired it up & set the timing & idle. The next day I ran the tickfaw 200, 200 miles with zero issues!! That motor has over 400 hrs on it when I sold the boat. Thanks for the help Eddie!
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Originally Posted by vette131
(Post 3582067)
I've known Eddie a long time & he is one anal mofo!! your motors will be right!!! Many years ago he helped me build a 516 to put in my cat. We finished the install at 3am, fired it up & set the timing & idle. The next day I ran the tickfaw 200, 200 miles with zero issues!! That motor has over 400 hrs on it when I sold the boat. Thanks for the help Eddie!
Mike, I've been trying to get out your way while I'm in town, but we have had a full schedule. Maybe this weekend. Ill be in touch. Eddie |
any updates? . . eager to see some build pics or new parts
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Last I heard from TRL505 was that he was wanting Eddie to ship him one of the engine blocks so he could tie it to his neck and jump off a bridge with it...hopefully Eddie shipped it Same Day Air...:poopoo:
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Happy New Year
Real Fast Marine is now Fountain Performance Marine.
We want to extend our best wishes to those directly involved with this 42 project......A new year and a boat that performs better than new.....we are excited about the progress and the potential of this 42......it is going and to be fast and reliable......we expect to be posting fantastic final performance results with rock solid engines and outstanding performance....stay tuned.....and we wish everyone else following this thread a Happy New Year and please call us if we can help you with your boating needs |
So Eddie. Any updates for us.
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Not much to take pics of unless you want to see my pretty face:lolhit:
I did flow the heads and wasn't exactly impressed. They were flowed at 28" on a 4.500 bore fixture and no pipe. What I can see of the port work looks real nice. We need to clean all of the carbon deposits out of the runners and have a good look at them to see if there is anything left in them. The numbers are as follows: Intake: .200-148 cfm .300-215 .400-267 .500-302 .600-332 .700-349 .800-358 Exhaust: .200-130 cfm .300-159 .400-185 .500-211 .600-231 .700-247 .800-257 Eddie |
Sounds like not much has gotten done. Are the short blocks together? With the kind of $ being spent on this boat why skimp on the heads? Just wondering.:party-smiley-004:
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Originally Posted by Young Performance
(Post 3587150)
Not much to take pics of unless you want to see my pretty face:lolhit:
I did flow the heads and wasn't exactly impressed. They were flowed at 28" on a 4.500 bore fixture and no pipe. What I can see of the port work looks real nice. We need to clean all of the carbon deposits out of the runners and have a good look at them to see if there is anything left in them. The numbers are as follows: Intake: .200-148 cfm .300-215 .400-267 .500-302 .600-332 .700-349 .800-358 Exhaust: .200-130 cfm .300-159 .400-185 .500-211 .600-231 .700-247 .800-257 Eddie It might have been mentioned, but what heads are we talking about with these numbers? I would think that heads for this size motor should flow 400cfm+ @ .700+ on the intake for that kind of power. |
They are the stock 525 heads with some port work. I'm not sure who did the port work but from what I understand,Tyler sent them out to be done. I could be wrong, but that's what I have heard. It really doesn't matter though. I haven't really had the chance to clean the ports out really good and see the port work. However, from what I see it looks pretty good. They just didn't flow very good.
We are in the process of figuring out what to do now.No one is skimping at this point. We are just trying to figure out what it's going to take to make their hp goal without needlessly spending money. They have spent quite a bit up to this point. The first step was to see what the heads would flow and go from there. Eddie |
Thanks Ed, I would have thought that 525 heads would flow better than that too, even stock. Everyone is anxious to see the end of this project and hopefully get the owner a full, trouble free, season! :drink:
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Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
(Post 3588992)
Thanks Ed, I would have thought that 525 heads would flow better than that too, even stock. Everyone is anxious to see the end of this project and hopefully get the owner a full, trouble free, season! :drink:
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Originally Posted by TRL505
(Post 3589212)
We are wanting to go with better heads....thinking about selling the 525 heads.
Guess that's real easy to say when I'm not the one signing the checks j/k |
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