Oh OK

Now I get it .

You agree with my point .

Except you want to start policing at the NEXT run.

Absolutely correct.

Please advise how the promoter is going to know about the rule breaking in real time so they can act in the decisive way we are acknowledging the continuation of the hobby demands.

Perhaps the participants will phone command HQ and turn each other in, seems unlikely as nobody wants to publicly identify the other red and silver Skater seen in the fly by even in the absence of any sanction save public shaming.

I don't really care who the other Skater is except for the instructional value of how ridiculous it is to ask the promoters to act in the absence of clear and complete data.

I say again you can't manage what you don't measure.

The plaintiffs lawyers the spouses, parents, and children of the deceased hire after their loved ones get killed in a spectator boat collision during a fly by aren't going to see it that way and neither is the jury. I think one would struggle to find defendants counsel willing to make the case that 90% of the people out on the lake had to know it was going to be chaos, given it is common knowledge that poker runs are actually unsanctioned, no safety equipment, no technical inspection, run what you brung races to the first card stop.

So following your logic, when an accident finally happens that wipes out spectators, those kids aren't really dead because you didn;'t see it?? They are just pretending to be dead or taking a nap or something??

Participants sign wavers indicating that they realize that there are enhanced risks to their well being from participating in the poker run. Spectators and others using the lake that day were not required to sign waivers. Hence, they are not participants.

When spectators anchor their boats a reasonable distance off the bank during a poker run it does not mean that they agree to the risks associated with high speed passes from participants racing to the card stop, especially from participants who have disregarded the clear instructions from the Poker run organizers to run their boats as near as possible to the centerline of the lake. When you look at the video taken by the pace boat in the big dog group he has no close calls. No high speed fly bys. No cutting through the anchored spectator fleet. He isn't cutting corners and driving flat out because he isn't racing to the card stop. Basically, he's driving in a responsible manner given the conditions - those being a crowded and open public lake.

3 or so years ago we were around the 26 MM on LOTO waiting for the lead group (cats) of the Friday "fun run" leaving Dog Days heading to Big Dick's. We were idling waaaay off to the side near the shore out of harms way (or so we thought). As the group approaches us, an all white cat dives to port towards us and goes by us off our starboard within 20' to 30' of us. The cat was not forced over by another participant and there was no traffic in front of them that would dictate a change of course towards us. They just chose to do a fly by. Now, I must admit there was an inital thought of "whoa! that was cool!". But soon everyone's thoughts turned towards, "those F'ing idiots!!!" "What if something broke or went wrong?! They would have been in our lap!!!"

The moral of the story is I don't agree that our presence made us a willing participant to a fly by. We were well off course towards the shore and the main channel was clear with plenty of room for all the cats to not have to run close to spectators. Yet, one choose to do otherwise. We wanted to see fast boats at speed from a safe distance. We did not bargain for a "tower buzz". I would hope that is the same for most spectators.

Anyone not reporting a violation will be disqualified if it is later determined they were involved, or witnessed the event.

Get videoed running alongside a boat full of non pfd wearing participants; both of you are out!

Fixing the poker run situation is not complicated, just absolutely necessary.

Spectators?
Have any of you ever heard of an "Attractive Nuisance"?
A spectator may very well claim that legal defense for being there; just as they would if their kid climbed your fence and drowned in your pool. Do not base your justification of showing off on their presence. That one will bite you.

Maximum Speed on Lake XXXX is 40mph unless otherwise posted.
Lake XXXX is a No Wake Lake.

Unfortunately those spectators will be very dead.

However unless the promoter happens to be omniscient, or have access to time travel, so they can jump ahead a week and read these witty threads on OSO and watch the you tube videos, has absolutely no way to know what all the participants are doing during the run. Which is why I see the need for a technology based system that can provide real time data about all the participants that the promoter can use to manage the event.

So disciple entirely by chance. We just wait until after the events and then use whatever information comes in to the public realm to banish offenders including someone just because he is in the frame while some other guy is behaving badly? In case you haven't noticed PP is taking the fifth by not posting any of the video they have of the LC event or perhaps even destroying it.

whomever is the person controlling the first card stop and the promoter/organizer should have a boat along the way to police it, it's not that difficult. not hard to measure a distance at a certain speed.