Because it can't compare to anything new, I look at them as a cool under 100k boat. Larry Smith, old Cig.'s and Apaches are very cool boats that if I had a lake house or a place in Florida that I was only going to be at a few time a year I would put a boat like that there. 10,15,20 year old boats are not what I would want for an every day boat, I work on stuff all day the last thing I want to do is work on my own stuff everytime I take it out.

Actually yes. I have own warehouses where I can pile my stuff into and forgetabout them and live of the rents.

I travel by car also.. mpg is ca 42. Depends on the work place from 25 miles to 1 mile depeding on the day.
I have to eat out everyday so thats around 15 bucks a day.
College is free for our kids but I gotta give them an apartment and pocket money.



If I plan to retire right now I might forget all about boats and my wife allabout her racehorses so that would end up with a divorce althought currently we are taking a remiss on our relation as we speak.

On to the auto industry.

Americans every day try and justify their foreign auto purchases by saying that they are cheaper and more reliable. That is actually not a fact. The price per value of foreign autos has done nothng but go up since their intruduction in the 70's, and now it is equal. The statistics that show more reliability and cusomer satisfation are things that have been manipulated by the manufacturers liek toyota and honda since the beginning. Those remarks can be backed up, but it is going to take to long, and that is not the real focus of this post.

I want to go back to all the idiots that are crying about not having jobs and loosing their home etc.. and have a foregn car in their driveway. Sure they justify it by saying that is was assembled here. "So friggin what". The profit for re investment, the interest charged on the financing, the money paid for a warranty that is insured through an American company that has to actually pay the bill for the technician to work on it and generates profit for the dealership paying a percentage back to the foreign owned manufacturer all takes money off of our shores.

Eventually if you let enough water slosh out of the bucket and into someone elses, you don't have any left for yourself.

I think this is on the wrong thread, but it has relevance.

Ok I see. I don´t look on the other hand at new boats as I they break too.
I hate to also buy something I can´t work on myself.

HAHAHAHA!!! you're crazy mofo Mika!!!

Dont talk words like "global thinking", "Nobel peace prize" "Sisu" & "culture" here!
It's just a waste :)

spot on and I Agree with you.
Until America comes up with something worth buying people will buy something else but thenagain the Citizens should think what to buy first.
We have this logo with a Swan and our flags cross on it to show that it´s made mostly domestic ( like 80%??).
Why not do the same with a stars and stripes logo and let people show their patriotism.

So you cant retire and not change your lifestyle.

No males in my family have made it past 65 no females past 70. I am 6'5" 225# and have lived a hard life racing and crashing all kinds of stuff. I like my job and don't dream of just sitting around and rotting talking about the good ol days, so if I can make money have fun and just not wake up some day I am cool with that. I work m-f 10 hours a day, get 4 weeks paid vacation a year, love my house, why retire?

So is my time before Xmas.... one trip tomorrow and then I´m just burning candles and making cocktails...

I might just as well give a few laughs to some with a twist :evilb:
But truly I´m worried about US economy as if it folds I dont have other choices but to buy an Arrow or a MasMar ?

I don't buy brand new either, let somebody take the big hit. I do all my own work on everything and I can fix anything thats worth fixing. Thats the way my dad was and that how I hope my kids will be.

Most people are to busy trying to show off what they can afford, buy, own, etc. to worry about where it comes from, or the repercusions of buying it.

While you can't buy anything domestically manufactured at a Best Buy, or a Circuit City, People justified it as at least creating the distribution and retail jobs, but the profit from the manufacturing just kept staying over seas wher it was made. Now those people can affor to buy things, (nothign wrong with that), but they don't buy anything from over here because they all ready make it over there. There is nothing that we make here that can't be made, manufactured, or purchased somewhere else.

Historically this has actually happened to all major world powers after a history of around 150-200 years. This is just the first time it is going to happen because of finance.

All I can say is hold on to your shirts.

It will be 2015 before our economy gets back to being healthy again.

No I can´t.

Everyone in our family has made over 75 all have worked 5-7 days a week no vacations and myself I do a minimum on 12 hr days behind the wheel or on the racetrack.
For me anything under 12 is not a workday it´s a day off.
I turned 41 this year and had my first vacation on 3 weeks.
Good point there..why retire. I see no point either but that wasn´t the issue why but could you if need would arise like economic reasons.

Communist ( = Read pessimist):p

I say soonest fall 2009 it will pick up and never will it be same but healthy no later than 2010.

Once a boat is about 10 years old it needs a rerig and pretty much has to be gutted and totaly redone to be reliable again. I could do it myself but it would take a lot of time, there are only a handfull of guys I would trust to do it and it would be costly, so the way I look at it I will go to my job that I do well make money and buy a new to me used boat thats a few years old, plus after 4-5 years I am ready for a change. Thats why I am boatless now aside from some little stuff and shoping for my next boat, lord knows the deals are getting good.

It will be 2015 before it feels healthy again, but you will find that even though you think life is good again, you will look back and think about the good ole days. It will never be the same as it was a couple years ago. The roaring 20's were like the roaring 90's, and if you didn't get a piece, get back in line with the rest of us, because it will be a long time before everything lines up again to allow it to happen.

Just like we found out it was bad to rely on foreign oil when prices went up, just think about how those countries that supply us with cheap (rap are going to feel without our influx of foreign cash that they were used to getting every quarter, because we are not buying anything.

Nope the Kenyan Clown is going to have us building roads!:evilb:

Not building roads. RE- Building roads. He isn't allocating money to developement of new roads. That is a mis interprtation. We are going to spend money on things that need to be re built and fixed. The only new stuff is that stuff that is all ready shovel ready, and that is not much stuff, actually.

Oh I get it the fuel tax increase money! and the millions of new jobs guess we each get a basket to haul dirt and rocks to these rebuilding jobs ..Actually the road and Bridge builders are pretty hight tech. Going to be great.:mad:

Sounds like the "highway" from St:Petersburg to Moscow...
Now why did U.S.A start to relu of foreign oil so much despite the hike in prices ?
I mean you got some of your own to control the prices ?

Now wait A Minute ?
First helping the Soviets, then Korea, then Vietnam, then Colombia, then Afghanistan, then Iraq and Now Kenya for all places ?
WHY?

Ps do you see a pattern ?

We have quit pumping our own since we can buy it cheap again. I know of 200 land based rigs that have been stacked and 50 that have been liquidated where they sat to avoid costs of moving them. That is just between 2 pretty small drilling companies. We will keep ours in the bank, just like we allways have.

The only reason the pres. opened up the strategic reserve when prices wre high is because him and his buddies own stock.

We have Liberals and the Greenies who want us in shoe box sized automobiles with a sail or long extension cord ..

We have more Oil and coal than anyone counting trillions of barrels in Oil shale; why we are paying more than a dollar a gallon is beyond me.. You see the congress wants us to make fuel out of grain that could be food instead next step by these Communists will to make alcohol out of our seed stock just following the mental madness here.

I like my pototoes and corn in their purest form. ALCOHOL :ernaehrung004::food-smiley-009::party-smiley-048:

why not invest in how to extract that shale of it´s oil ( yes I know about it) and have people jobs ??

.... with the rate of now saving it it will renew itself....
Hey... Nazis thought about that first not Commies.
To be independent of oil and make fuel of renewal resources and coal.
No wonder they became the enemy no1 suddenly AMONG other things...

I know you have as for now again... import insted of helping the domestic.. even at these times ???

I just don´t get it.
Where´s the patriotism in that ?

Seems your legislators are hopeless...

Less than Hopeless :They caused this problem!

Huh ?? Nazis you mean like our leftist brown shirts here.

did the legislators make the citizens think of not buying american ?

IMO it was the bean counters fall we are all on our arse.

no I mean the real ones.
Germany in the 30´s who had lots of inventions to make themselves independent of oil.
That was surely and alarming threat to the oil producers then... which happened to be U.S.A and Russia at the time.

But fast forward to today... by regulating the oil to a certain affordable level the boatindustry can also prosper.
India also tried to become independent of oil especially diesel in the 50´s but oil was so cheap at the time the need just washed away. Nowadays because of the pollution in India it´s making a comeback.

http://thehindubusinessline.com/busi...s/041167mu.htm
http://cpcbenvis.nic.in/newsletter/a...el/ch30403.htm

So lets go totally oil independent in our powerboats and cars inb the future...
Do that and the market will be there.

Yes by the crazy laws they passed .

What we have here is much worse they use trust the Mass media leftist Judges and being Wanna bees that makes them very dangerous. Look the entire democrat party should just admit they are Fascists and be done with it.

Won't do any good to pump it out as the profits go straight into the pockets of people that don't need any more money. And as for jobs, there is no difference in putting a guy to work re building a bridge or running the pumps. And actually, the pumps run themselves from what I have seen. You just need somebody to go make sure the wire is still connected to the pole and to back the truck up every once in a while to empty out the holding tanks.

Hey look at it this way if the Aztec's and Myans and some others are right about 12/21/2012 we only have three more years, so lets party.:party-smiley-004:

12/21/2012 Day after my 35th birthday what is going to happen. You better believe I will party then especially if the world is going to end or something.

Right :party-smiley-004::ernaehrung004:

What is your income tax rate for all this "Free" stuff you get from your government.

more explanation is needed......for us ...uh,...slower minds.

You might want to have the party the weekend before the 21'st. :drink:

average worker keeps 40% of their wages

Mikey was bragging about Finlands "free" healthcare and college education