[QUOTE=MikeyFIN;2763695]The Traditional Americans ain´t certainly WHITE.
Thats a FACT. Not the Traditional Canucks either.
But Finns are.

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Skewing the facts to serve your purposes of bashing Americans and calling them stupid isnt going to make you too many friends on this board.

Maybe we can go with my original plan and send Mayflower #2 over to Finland with all the brothas and habib and wing wang wong and they can shack up with you and maybe you can intruduce your sister to Leroy?
Can you please give us a History lesson on how traditional AMERICANS arent white?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundin...e_United_State

[QUOTE=MikeyFIN;2763702]lol

Appointed not elected.

The Global opinion is Bush is alarmingly close enough especially in places where it counts. ( no that ain´t Europe as it ain´t a threat to US)
I find the man actually quite witty and can relate to his behavior.

[QUOTE=ar15meister;2763703]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_..._United_States

There´s a saying the man with the biggest Gun usually wins....:D

But please quote right.

Ps does that make Leroy TOP GUN ( 38") ?

If that makes me a Senator that means I´m in the crazy house... may I resign?






What makes me an expert , never thought of it that way... but thanks !
Ironic is that you prolly have a Nokia...

nope, its a motorola.

i'm done with this discussion. You make accusations but do not back any of them up. I'll have more interesting conversation talking about this with my six year old.

I never asked your mother to dance. Swear.

And there was a hottie there, but there's quite a few pigs in Russia as well.

And Helsinki is a shathole of a town, couldn't get back on the cruise ship fast enough.

What defines Finland...hmmm maybe this.

Flying Finns

Beep ..bad form.

But certainly less then where you come from...

Sure it is when you don´t know where and when to go.
It´s the Towns fault alright.

You coulda taken a ferry from my town..100 miles west and I reckon you were going to sweden..well the night ferry leaves at 18.00 and the other in my town at 20.30 ...I can catch that even with a Big rig easily and with a just a normal car I´ve done the stretch in 53 minutes.
Or If you´d known my number I coulda prolly managed to get you a Powerboat with crew that could take the trip too fast enough.
Howabout that?

Do they still make them ?

sure you do.. my backups ain´t to your liking, your kiddos prolly is but wait another 10 yrs...
Especially when he says Dad... I want a Fountain or a Swan :grinser010:

Huhhh???

Do you mean this:

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Boatfreaks, whats that ???

P.S. It spells Propaganda.

but Back to Issue #1..Where is the Cigarettes markets ?

I still say it´s global.... thats why the No1 is in the Logo still.

How I love this thread HA HA HA!!!

But can we now decide that the Cig-market is in Lichtenstein??

My mother?

Watch it tough guy....:angry-smiley-038:

Free entertainment at 1st level ?

Mange close but not... Not the Vatican either but more like Monaco or Riviera in general.
And maybe an up and coming market will come from places like Casablanca...
Remember who you heard it from first.

Casablanca Maroc, yes. Much big going on there as we speak.

One of my best friends lives in Barcelona (Spain). August this year he toke his
61ft flybridge to Ibiza for some days off. He visit the powerboat dealer on that little
islands in the mediterranean. They had sold 17 new cigs so far this year.
My friend just looked at one 39TG and a 50 just tok delivery down the marina.
Prob this could be the dealer:
http://www.offshoreperformanceibiza....32/63/lang,en/

well you were banned there on 12 13 2006 after 371 posts of which most of them were just like this BS:evilb:

Holy fuc#ing thread hijack Batman. This idiot is comitting an e-jihad against the U.S. and he's ruined what could be a great thread for those of us that are in the TS TG market.

Back on topic. I've seen one or two nice TS TG's around 125K. 525's and xr's I believe. My dream is for a 700 or so boat with 6's. My banker keeps changing the subject whenever I bring up the terms he wants on a used boat. I think I saw him roll his eyes today. :angry-smiley-038:

MikeyFIN just has really bad Kulli breath who has never seen a Pillu up close :angry-smiley-038:

He likes to chase kikkelies :evilb:

So just run along up there in the polar circle and runkata off :D

Him and Triple Digits are probably bed buddies :D

Buy now. Tomarro you may not b here to enjoy!!

Where is there a T/S gun with 525 and xr's for 125K?? No where!! A Gladiator yes but a Gun, the market hasnt hit that low yet.

ur kidding right?

there r two 07 guns ASK 249k in the classifieds now... NEW

Still show me where you can get a nice Gun with 525's for 125K?? The owners arnt willing to sell them for that low. I thought you were a Cigarette guy?? You saying everything isnt worth anything or trying to low ball offer everyone isnt helping. Those 07's arnt new.

Not that in any way I say a Sonic is a Top Gun but there is a nice 358 at the National repo yard for 65k and some other nice Sport boats out there for great prices. The banks in any other time would be putting the prices at blue book but now they just want whats owed on the loan and after a while anything they can get,they need the room for more. Peolpe are broke and need out you also see some out there that are way above what they are worth due to them being way upside down. The deals will be made on repo boats if you got the cash or credit you will be able save 75% over what it would have cost 2 years ago.

houses worth 30-40% less... stocks and bonds off 50%...

BUT WAIT frivilous, gas guzzling powerboats run by single and/or mid life crisis males... that market is doing well......

they have to be off too...

wake up and smell the recession....


even for those who want... cant get loans... there r very few buyers right now

We have people with 725 credit scores getting turned down for loans under 10k all the time, if your dept ratio is over about 30 % they are turning people down. Lot's of kids not getting dirt bikes and four wheelers for Xmas. We are about 60 units off last Dec. and it's not over.

Of course the market is off and we are in a recession, but that doesnt mean everything is worthless. Just because you cant buy something or you dont want to spend the money doesnt mean everyone is the same!!

Dumping it off for what you owe to save your credit and put food on the table does not make it worthless it makes it a good deal for someone that has the money.

3 years ago I bought a 3k psi washer off a crack head for $500,bad for him good for me. Just because I got it for 500 didn't make it junk.

I understand this and it is very unfortunate that some have to do this, but unfortunate situations like that shouldn't dictate the market value for everything else out there. Half the people shopping for boats on here are only trying to steal everything and extremely low balling everyone. Not everyone or dealer with a boat for sale has to dump it for tens of thousands below what the boat should be selling for just because some have to fire sale them.

Yes it's bad but it's how it is, and I plan to get a great deal on my next boat. At first I feel bad but then I go back to when I was trying to trade my boat a few years ago and they would offer me 25% of Blue Book. $60k for a 275K dollar boat on trade. F them.

so a boat worth 150k a year ago is worth 145k today?

My take is there are enough nice boats available in every trim level that a great deal can be found with enough due diligence. Sellers aren’t going to move boats unless they realize how bleak the market conditions truly are and accept the best real offer they can get or continue to sit on their heavily depreciating toy.

yes if the boat would have sold for X last spring.... it is worth 20% less at least real money offer

Teddy, Thank God I live in Texas and own an AT! :)

In all seriousness…You have to be an ill-liquid SOB or have too much money to count to even consider selling your boat in this market. The lack of banks willing to be in recreational lending and a lack of a competitive insurance market makes it a hold! If you can’t afford to services your debt on your boat then you probably shouldn't be in it in the first place. Sorry to be the a-hole here but that is why this country is so f'd-up right now.

The problem is that it's not what it's worth it's how much the bank needs for it or how much the owner needs to get out of it. Then the others are forced to lower your price or keep it.

The only other thing you could do is buy every boat like yours and keep them till the market comes back, good luck with that.

But after Obama spreads the wealth we will all be fine.:rolleyes:

This is why I say "never borrow money for toys ".

True to a point but if that was the way it was there wouldn't be any boat builders.

I do more of don't borrow for a toy you cant write off on your taxes. and even rich people borrow for 500k and higher toys, they make more with the cash than they loose on the toy, if they do it right.

Lots of people wouldn't agree with this, and I'll be the first to do so.

I agree that people shouldn't borrow money beyond what they can afford in order to buy toys, but I'll tell you this - I am not going to spend cash on a boat (not that I could), when my equity line is at 3.75%, and 1/3rd of that is tax deductible.

But in the end it is everyones choice. Some don't feel comfortable being leveraged, and some do. In my case - I evidently love it.......

Come to think of it, From Maroc theres not that far to Gibraltar or costa del sol or Madeira ( less than 30 miles).And Maroc is a US backed Muslim country so they do favoour at least to some degree Made IN USA stuff And I could think Cigarettes are to their likins after watching their street scene with the cars they chose to run around, VERY UPSCALE.
Although I asked locals at Rabat the last time I visited there where´s all your Marinas,, the answerI got was a big one is being built in Casablanca ( it should be ready by now) but muslims in general somewhow feqar the sea.. i asked why and thought there coulöd be aq business there teaching them powerboating and sailing....
But fisrt I have to learn French at least as there´s no chance of getting understand in English.