I believe the Recovery team also had to stop for fuel

Even to this day A GPS in not an official navigation device but an aid.
If one reads the fine prints on the pamphlets coming with purchasing one there is a disclamer for it.
I Didn't know this either until I started my skippers degree a while back.

Congrats from here too to both record breakers.

Stu had tried twice before and on the day they set the record, they set off from the South St Seaport. They didn't have a specific route in mind, they just wanted to go arond the island faster than Fred Kiekhaefer had done it.

They went into the ocean first and then back by the Sound, with a refueling stop at Montauk. They ended up back at the Seaport also.

22 years is a long time, so only Stu and his crew know the exact details, remeber it was a non race event, it was a record setting event solely.

RE.....Safety on the race for those who interested in entering next year.

In the racers pack, all the fuel locations were given with both long and lat positions, all the Sea Tow locations and phone numbers were given. Race HQ had a cell phone number given to all drivers. There were two helicopters as well as two private planes. Every boat had two Kattack beacons on board in case one failed.

But the most important part, was the volunteers that Billy had lined up all around the island. For example, when the Donzi broke down, the boat notified us by phone as well as the HQ people knowing it's location from the Kattack beacons. Billy contacted the volunteer that was the nearest to that location and he took his own boat out and towed the Donzi back to the nearest ramp. Billy meantime coordinated the truck and trailer pickup so they were waiting when the boat arrived at the ramp.

Got it. Thanks Charlie.

Volunteers like yourself make good things happen.

i wish you mentioned this information before the race. make sure to include it next year. many are probably worried about the lack of help along the course. its assuring that there are spotters to help.

We're getting offtopic here but have to reply.

Charlie I guess all entrants had mandatory Marine-VHF and SRC licenses obligatory?

Would be a good idea to have a Race channel on VHF don't you think and a MMSI number even for the Race organizer ?
A GSM doesn't necessarily give you a position but a VHF added with DSC and GPS gives instant position while the Distress button is depressed in seconds and alerts every boater and rescue organizations nearby.

Although you're racing your not racing on a racetrack but the open sea so therefore Marine laws and regulations do apply and help the organizers of events like these and makes the participants object to fulfill some requirements. They ain't that costly or hard to fullfill either and for everyones own safety.

Bytheway is Kattack an AIS supported site?

Just Had to ask despite knowing your and Billy's experience.

Good to see an event like this. Congrats to ALL the participants as an attemp is a win in my book when talking about a race like this one. Also, thank you to all the organizers and volunteers. Good Job everyone.

I think that is fantastic that the record was broken with a pleasure boat, with Illmor power. How much total fuel did the boat carry for the run?

It is a really nice looking boat too, way to go. Outstanding!

Is the second video that Blaze posted the official end to the race? Was there an actual start finish line?

Congrats to all who participated. Im looking forward to this next year and possibly give it a run.

Great looking boat. Congrats to all involved.

The official start / finish line was from buoy #27.

They started out from there and that was also the place they had to come across on the return for the finish.

X2!

congrats to the new record holders and any that competed/attended.

seems we are lucky to have two boats finish considering the fountain ran the shallows @ orient point and coney island along with taking a 15ft wave over the bow rounding montauk point.


bigger and better than last year?

you bet!



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I can't remember a SBI (or whatever entity these days) race getting as much interest as this has. Maybe it's telling us something.

They carried an extra 60 gallons in ATL bladders up front to come in at a total 300 gallons of fuel.He said they needed 270 to finish.They had a fuel mileage gauge telling them how much they would burn.1.2 miles per gallon was their goal.

Congrats OL, that's awesome.

thanks for the synopsis billy...ooops i mean :party-smiley-004:

Cool event again.

Crazy how last year a smaller and older Sonic won and this year a brand new high dollar OL, makes it that much more fun that anyone can win if you can last.

Here's to hoping that next year there's even more participants.

since your a slow learner kid i will tell you one more time. my names not Billy but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night.

now unstand that as much as you wanted Billy's race to fail it was a huge success.

the cream rises to the top...

:drink:

Congrats!!!:drink:

Please learn to read, write, and spell. That is all. Thanks. ;)

Jimmy, this might be your kind of event, huh?

Don't want to forget that the winners acknowledged the tremendous help they got from both Tommy Abraham and Jimmy McIntyre....they stated if it wasn't for the loan of equipment and their help, they would not have made the race.

So kudos again to racers helping racers.....good show!!

ya, thanks, maybe then i can be cool like you.

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please stop with the inshore racing bullchit:rolleyes::rolleyes:, there have been lots of OPA and APBA, SBI races in REAL rough water.5 ,6 8 foot seas 25 to 30mph winds where boats broke and guys have died in the last 10 to 17 years. back in the old days yep you went 150 200 miles in a race at 50 to 80 mph. so you call the new races and racers worthless me included only run a few miles offshore for 60 to 70 miles. but we run a LOT FAST and a lot more guys have DIE from them. some seasons 2 or more racers have died. I have had friends help me build a great rough water boat over the last two years and we will be done this week I hope, its great that the enduro races are making a come back. I planned on doing this one but ran out of time but should be all set for the bimini race.the water can be rougher at the coastal races because of sandbars and the depth coming up quick to the coast can make waves real steep with big holes not like in open water where they grow apart so you can get a rhythm most of the time. and this race sounds like it had good water to run in. once your off the beach your OFFSHORE.:grinser010: like I said yesterday congrats to JOE & JOE racing and the other 5 race teams and boats and to Charlie & Billy and helpers for getting her done. maybe next year you guys can get opa guys too. it would be awesome to have 20 to 50 boats run it.ps. for xmas this year I want a second gas tank for my floor, since my main tank is behind my seats. and some new lifelines since mine are old as dirt. congrats again.

your a wack job NO ONE WANTED BILLY TO FAIL!!!!! go climb under the rock you came out of.

Sounds like they had done their homework and planned accordingly. That's how you win these things: Plan your work & work your plan. Running less fuel efficient engines like Mercury 700's ( or anything more powerful) would have forced a fuel stop and prevented the new record. They brought the right weapon to this fight. Good thinking.

Well put. Congrats to all involved. :drink::drink:

Exactly. Stfu then you twerp. Yu have zero clue if OL does or did do anything for the winners. Stpp trying to stir up the pot because you have a hard on for Dan. My last post on the subject. Congrats joe and Joe! You guys earned it!!!:drink::drink:

No sh!t jackass...that's why I said it.

Quite frankly it's the opposite. I like to purchase my own toys. It gives me a sense of pride and accomplishment. Wish I could say the same for a lot of members on this forum.

I have mixed emotions about this. While I agree the BS running around in 1 mile circles in the bays and rivers is a complete joke, it does make it conductive for spectators.

But, in my mind 100+ mile races run from point A to point B in true offshore conditions is what real "offshore racing" is and what it should be all about. The downside to this is makes it tough for spectators to be drawn in because they really can't participate. For it to be viable you really have to have TV coverage, which will hopefully happen going forward as the fleet grows.

Either way I'm glad to see the LI race did come to fruition this year as I think it will continue to build steam going forward. If they did pull the plug at the last minute this year (as it appear they were going to do), the race without question would have been doomed going forward. Obviously the promoters need to do their homework for next year as there was plenty of room for improvement with how things have been handled, but I think the foundation is solid if things are better thought out.

I also think it's good to see two extremes when it comes to the caliber of boats we've had win over the last two years. It not only goes to show that anyone can win if they can just finish, but it also showcases some of todays fastest machines and opens the door for more and better future competition.

I would expect to see faster boats and more competitors in the coming years. As long as mother nature is charitable, I would also expect to see the records continue to get broken by quite a bit, as we saw with the OB record this year. It's fantastic to see the overall record broken this year, but the record was only broken by the slimmest of margins. Given the technology advancements we've seen over the last 30 years I have to think there's plenty of room for the faster boats (especially the cats) to really blow the doors off today's record under the right conditions.

Let's hope we are seeing the beginning of a renewed era of offshore racing in the US! :)

Do everyone else a favor princess and stay the hell away. Your like the new Mini Hawk ruining every thread out there with your BS. You have a problem with me come face me in person. Keep the thread on topic. I know Billy and Charlie will have next year bigger and better!! Lets see if someone will come out to beat the new records set this past weekend!!

couldn't agree more........this is why I stated in another thread not to trash the low turnout of last year and the almost low turnout this year.........to me there are a few people who have to step up to the plate......isn't it funny how a ILMOR powered "V" bottom holds the record now.......:evilb:

The World's number one fan and I went to the site on Saturday as we generally do in support of Billy's events. I applaud the concept of a change in the direction of Offshore Racing back to basics. The "spectator friendliness" approach has drawn an array of friends, relatives and hangers on as well as locals whose curiousity is often drawn by a need to find something to do with the family within a few miles of home, but has not produced anything remotely resembling a fan base. The old marathon races both off and in shore were covered extensively in the print media and later on via TV generating significant worldwide interest (Don Aronow was a household name to boating enthusiasts around the world). I think the lesson here is that the vision of man against nature with no holds barred is very compelling even to the point that last weeks ill fated cruise to Bermuda was of more interest than most of today's circle races in bays and lakes. The fact that people have been killed does not legitimize a motor sport other than to bring into question its attention to safety and rescue rules and standards....and by no means should it make it any more or less interesting to a true race fan. Unfortunately there have been fatalities in boat racing going back to the very earliest years and that is a totally different subject for another forum.

Aside from the petty griping on this thread with a clear agenda to stir the pot, I think that the interest and controvery created is needed to improve the vison of "Offshore" racing and bring it back to where it belongs...Offshore. There are many purpose built race boats that belong on closed courses at high speeds ranging from small outboard hydros through tunnel boats and up to the amazing Unlimiteds that are much more thrilling than a menagerie of vee bottoms with a couple of guys on board going in GPS controlled circles.

To me, anything that was designed for rough water, navigation and endurance belongs on a course that challenges these attributes. A 50 foot cat trying for top speed on a lake is like a mountain climber on a football field....simply illogical.

I applaud the Around Long Island Marathon revival and, as a veteran of the original, know full well how this event grabbed the imagination of every performance boater in the country for years.

Congrats to the "Joes" especially the guy who went back to his roots.... Joe Sgro...and congrats to Billy and Charlie for, at the very least, trying something different, but very familiar ;).

T2x

When someone verbally or personally attacks me, I obviously take offense to it; as do you. Your arrogance and close mindedness is annoying especially when you dont have a pot to piss in. I have been on topic the entire thread numbnuts. I think you have me confused with "Mastercraft".

Sorry to all others whom I may have side tracked.

Honestly I think the Ilmor is a tough engine to beat for this type of racing. They are tough as nails, run strong, and get pretty decent fuel ecconomy. The Indy drive is a great drive too, although I think an Arneson might be a better drive for long distance endurance racing.

OL is IMO years ahead of the competition in their hull design and even more so in their layup schedule/materials. So IMO, the light and efficient OL vee hull beating out the old cat record is no real suprise either.

With that said, purpose built racers could no doubt smash this record in the right conditions. A large light weight cat with big diesel power comes to mind...

You have NO idea...........period!

Look, somewhere this has gotten off track as to our feelings re racers of today. As far back as you can find in my posts, I have always said that a racer is a racer. The only reason the offshore racer of today is on the shore course, is because that is where the promoters and race organizations put him..If there were a race down a flooded street in Hoboken, there would be racers that show up. We are not now and never have criticized other racers.

What we HORBA and NPBA, are trying to do, is to open up the eyes of boat owners that there is a real test of both man and equipment that can be had by redoing some of the old race courses. We proved that with this 271 mile race in honor of Don Aronow.

If more people come out and try it, sooner or later a better breed of boat will be made, as some of the stuff today just honestly wouldn't make it. Race on Sunday, sell on Monday. Once that becomes a reality, then you will see the manufacturers jumping back in to prove that they make a product that can really be used in a safe manner out of sight of land.

With this past win of Ilmor, in the old days Carl Kiekhaefer would have been back at Fond du Lac running dynos non-stop to make sure that Mercury would be the winner next time. That is the passion we need to see again in the sport.

Rich and Scot and some others thanks for your thoughtful supporting comments.

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If more people come out and try it, sooner or later a better breed of boat will be made, as some of the stuff today just honestly wouldn't make it. Race on Sunday, sell on Monday. Once that becomes a reality, then you will see the manufacturers jumping back in to prove that they make a product that can really be used in a safe manner out of sight of land.



Good point!

I apologize if I offended or insulted anyone with my comments. My point was that I am excited to see the interest generated by Charlie, Billy, and all of the participants and volunteers.

I can only hope that Charlie and Billy continue their efforts and that this is the rebirth of offshore racing.

Are there any preliminary plans to bring back any of the other "lost" events?