are you not saying the same thing that guy rik is saying about package price?

Is a drop box on a asd?

Looks like bearing failure??

First off I don't follow anyones prices as that does not mean anything to me. I have figured out what it costs to attend shows and advertise and I set my pricing so I can make it all work.
I know I have owned this for 2 years and have passed on the saving to my customers where I have saved $$ in volume purchases and will continue to do so as I grow.

Do you own that boat or is it a friends Apache?? For some reason I thought he had a different screen name but I could be completely mistaken?

If it's you, I remember speaking with the owner after he did all the upgrades because 2" shorties were installed if I remember correctly? I may still have the emails saved but have to look.

That boat was originally in NJ, not far from where I used to live.

water entered the drive mixing with the oil and you see the result.. whos fault is that ? design flaw? who knows.. but like i said no drive is with out problems is my point.

The Apache is not my boat, a fellow boater in Michigan here. He runs the Chit out of it though! Yes it has -2" lower which obviously helped the speed gain.

Forgot to add this part also

Arneson...Good customer service
X-Power...Good customer service
Imco........Bad to horrible Customer service
B-Max......Good customer service
Konrad.....Good customer service

Price...Here are some rough numbers, no energy tonight to figure out exact...this thread is just a waste of time, but I love boating so.......JUST OFF MEMORY, NOT EXACT PRICE! I would imagine you can also negotiate a better deal. If you want to HELP my post, please do it nicely and I will edit it, or I will stop wasting my time and delete it.

Arneson 24k includes new steering, trim, stand off box, transmission, tie bar, shafts, complete drive, etc
-sale of trans assembly, steering, stand off box 1,2,3k?
+5k for new prop with better technology
Total $26,000

Imco SCX 14k upper and lower drive
+1000 Imco Gimbal ring
+1000 helmet and reservoir (free during sales often)
+1000 Tie bar?
+1000 Prop
+2000 WCM blueprint lower?
+2500 Stand off box?
Total $22,500

Imco SCX-4 16,5k upper and lower drive
+1000 Imco gimbal ring
+1000 Helmet and reservoir
+1000 Tie bar?
+5000 for prop with better technology
+2500 Stand off box?
Total $27,000

X-Power $38k Upper and lower drive, Stainless Gimbal ring
+1000 Tie bar?
+5000 for prop with better technology
+2500 stand off box?
Total $46,500

B-Max 14k Upper and lower drive
+1000 Imco gimbal ring
+1000 tie bar ?
+1000 prop
+2000 WCM blueprint?
+2500 stand off box?
+2000 Rebuilding the lower every 75-100 hours
Total $21,500+2000 every 75-100 hours


Konrad Ace 25,5k Upper and lower drive, Stand off Box, Transmission, steering
They are on sale for a limited time for 18,5k
I honestly know the least about Konrad, called 1 year ago and talked to the booth at miami this year, both times they did not recommend the ACE for my boat making 800hp.


These are just my recommendation and opinions, obviously every boat and owner is different. Yes you can cut items off the list, but in the long run many end up purchasing many "extra" parts.

I have not experienced this, Imco has been great to me on the phone and with explanations.. I am friends with Panther and I feel that Imco has learned much from their past business practices. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from them.