Drive questions Teague/Imco/Bmax
03-21-2012 | 12:24 PM
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The majority of boats do not need transom work, so if you want to complain about Rik misquoting info why do you misquote info!
When applying more power through a drive why would you not upgrade those parts!!! You even wrote it (gimbal ring) yourself a few post back!!!
Many boats end up having all those parts in the long run, do some research, you will see!
When applying more power through a drive why would you not upgrade those parts!!! You even wrote it (gimbal ring) yourself a few post back!!!
Many boats end up having all those parts in the long run, do some research, you will see!
03-21-2012 | 12:25 PM
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this has got to be the most ignorant post on this thread.You're pretty good at spending other peoples money. How many of these drives have you owned? The owners of the company's and people that own the drives should be the ones commenting, honestly you should have shut up a long time ago. sorry if the truth hurts but you look like a total ass throughout this whole thread.
03-21-2012 | 01:10 PM
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6 yrs behind 838 hp and 834 TQ in a 10,500 lb boat (dry weight) for me, still the same orignal gimbal parts. 
I guess others results may vary.
I don't want to keep going back/forth on the arneson thing but for me to lower my engines it would have cost me a new oil pan and rigging work to lower the engines. I'd assume there would have been roughly 10-12 hrs rigging time @ $100hr shop rate if I paid someone to do it. If I did it myself my labor is free but I'd still have the expense of 12qt oil pans that met my space requirements.
Lastly, for me, there was no known 36' Apaches with Arneson's on at that time so I had no data. There was some flat bottom top guns but the boat is 2 ft longer, different bottom rocker and different center of gravity. I just didn't want to gamble on an unknown settup and spend that kind of cash and time to dial it in. If I had more money, maybe I would have considered it or maybe just bought I different boat with 6's.
I guess others results may vary.
I don't want to keep going back/forth on the arneson thing but for me to lower my engines it would have cost me a new oil pan and rigging work to lower the engines. I'd assume there would have been roughly 10-12 hrs rigging time @ $100hr shop rate if I paid someone to do it. If I did it myself my labor is free but I'd still have the expense of 12qt oil pans that met my space requirements.
Lastly, for me, there was no known 36' Apaches with Arneson's on at that time so I had no data. There was some flat bottom top guns but the boat is 2 ft longer, different bottom rocker and different center of gravity. I just didn't want to gamble on an unknown settup and spend that kind of cash and time to dial it in. If I had more money, maybe I would have considered it or maybe just bought I different boat with 6's.
03-21-2012 | 01:15 PM
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so lets understand this you come on here and throw up what if scenarios and post a long semi frustrated attack and you call him wrong? you promote bmax but when someone pushes the arnesins you call them a cheerleader? you put a huge motor in your boat you think that reliability from a bravo or anything like it is owed to you? at least he takes time to answere your questions then you act beligerant insultiung and say in a recession someone else should gurantee your boating success? you have not even told us what boat you have but its success is someone elses responsibility? looks like when others stated that brand x cost this much and state arnesin cost too much and he lays the numbers out and the opposite is true the bravo style drive cheerleaders cry. i don’t see him pushing it down your throat as you stated he did not promise you it would be anything and that frustrated you. ever think he told you 260000 just to make you go away? guess he regrets that as you showed him.
03-21-2012 | 01:31 PM
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To sum up the last 20 pages:
In a brand new boat or a full retro fit, Arneson is just as competitively priced as anyone else.
Some boats work well with different drives than others, so do your homework.
Every drive has had failures, has strong points, and may or may not be right for specific applications.
A boat originally equipped with Bravo style drives will not need a full "conversion" and therefore Bravo style upgrades will be the cheapest way to go.
-That is all.
In a brand new boat or a full retro fit, Arneson is just as competitively priced as anyone else.
Some boats work well with different drives than others, so do your homework.
Every drive has had failures, has strong points, and may or may not be right for specific applications.
A boat originally equipped with Bravo style drives will not need a full "conversion" and therefore Bravo style upgrades will be the cheapest way to go.
-That is all.
03-21-2012 | 01:32 PM
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03-21-2012 | 03:28 PM
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this has got to be the most ignorant post on this thread.you're pretty good at spending other peoples money. How many of these drives have you owned? The owners of the company's and people that own the drives should be the ones commenting, honestly you should have shut up a long time ago. Sorry if the truth hurts but you look like a total ass throughout this whole thread.
03-21-2012 | 04:17 PM
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this has got to be the most ignorant post on this thread.You're pretty good at spending other peoples money. How many of these drives have you owned? The owners of the company's and people that own the drives should be the ones commenting, honestly you should have shut up a long time ago. sorry if the truth hurts but you look like a total ass throughout this whole thread.
So only people who have owned a drive can comment about the exact drives they have owned?
So for example, Scott Shogren should only comment on boats he has personally owned and driven while trying to make a sale?
Bob Teague should only comment on boats he has owned while writing an magazine article?
What about all the boaters out there that DO NOT go on OSO? How else can their story's be shared if people like myself did not share them?
What happens if the OP never heard of the Arneson bravo conversion but after we shared fell in love with it and was grateful?
THE OP said he does not want to HALF AZZ his boat. SO you think I should have shut up a long time ago even though I gave him a good idea..........which was....
Keep his current drives stock, don't waste any money on XR upgrades since we all agree they will not last....save his money for "his personal dream drive", in the mean time find a deal on a used XR for a spare (there are a TON of deals on XR drives currently, and a TON more will show up this spring).
Once the OP has the money save he can choose his favorite. Might be the Arneson, or the NEW SCX-4 (pretty popular right now). Could be the new B-Max if they update the lower. Could be the Standard SCX but with the new SCX-4 "look alike" lower running a bravo prop. Could be the X-Power cause they decide to have a sale.
Lots of good options on this thread, and good info. But the personal attacks against fellow members trying to enjoy "winter boating" on OSO is just plain SAD.
03-21-2012 | 04:23 PM
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yes but the willingness to do so just for the purit of speed kinda makes it a lot of work for what? have to in order to try and gain back what is lost and must do when repower is about the same thing right?
03-21-2012 | 04:28 PM
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So while the rest of us are trying to enjoy chatting about boats, and help fellow boaters out, you want to personally attack fellow OSO users? A better place for that would be at your local bar, not on here where we are trying to have fun.
So only people who have owned a drive can comment about the exact drives they have owned?
So for example, Scott Shogren should only comment on boats he has personally owned and driven while trying to make a sale?
Bob Teague should only comment on boats he has owned while writing an magazine article?
What about all the boaters out there that DO NOT go on OSO? How else can their story's be shared if people like myself did not share them?
What happens if the OP never heard of the Arneson bravo conversion but after we shared fell in love with it and was grateful?
THE OP said he does not want to HALF AZZ his boat. SO you think I should have shut up a long time ago even though I gave him a good idea..........which was....
Keep his current drives stock, don't waste any money on XR upgrades since we all agree they will not last....save his money for "his personal dream drive", in the mean time find a deal on a used XR for a spare (there are a TON of deals on XR drives currently, and a TON more will show up this spring).
Once the OP has the money save he can choose his favorite. Might be the Arneson, or the NEW SCX-4 (pretty popular right now). Could be the new B-Max if they update the lower. Could be the Standard SCX but with the new SCX-4 "look alike" lower running a bravo prop. Could be the X-Power cause they decide to have a sale.
Lots of good options on this thread, and good info. But the personal attacks against fellow members trying to enjoy "winter boating" on OSO is just plain SAD.
So only people who have owned a drive can comment about the exact drives they have owned?
So for example, Scott Shogren should only comment on boats he has personally owned and driven while trying to make a sale?
Bob Teague should only comment on boats he has owned while writing an magazine article?
What about all the boaters out there that DO NOT go on OSO? How else can their story's be shared if people like myself did not share them?
What happens if the OP never heard of the Arneson bravo conversion but after we shared fell in love with it and was grateful?
THE OP said he does not want to HALF AZZ his boat. SO you think I should have shut up a long time ago even though I gave him a good idea..........which was....
Keep his current drives stock, don't waste any money on XR upgrades since we all agree they will not last....save his money for "his personal dream drive", in the mean time find a deal on a used XR for a spare (there are a TON of deals on XR drives currently, and a TON more will show up this spring).
Once the OP has the money save he can choose his favorite. Might be the Arneson, or the NEW SCX-4 (pretty popular right now). Could be the new B-Max if they update the lower. Could be the Standard SCX but with the new SCX-4 "look alike" lower running a bravo prop. Could be the X-Power cause they decide to have a sale.
Lots of good options on this thread, and good info. But the personal attacks against fellow members trying to enjoy "winter boating" on OSO is just plain SAD.
