I agree, get a designated driver the risk of hurting someone is to great,
But I'm with Audio, next time I go to the bar I'm gonna ask for one of those "Intoxilyzer 5000's" it sounds like a great drink for when you just want to get wasted

easy to make double of YEG double of 151 and a double of double of goldenshloger

Sounds like a great Idea to me

Am so glad that i have never been in that position nor do I ever want to hear about frineds in it.
My group knows if they are ever in need to call me, at anytime.
I have givin rides many many times to keep my freinds, neighbors nad thier KIDS safe n sound

We know just havin a little fun. I drove drunk ONCE and it will NEVER happen again. I have a really funny story about being on a bike drunk but that is for another thread. I did get a ponice escort off the main st.

Jon

More like a post whore expert

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troutly
[B][COLOR=blue]Srobak,

Things are very complex in the Great State of Minnesota .

Unless your Randy Moss

Shaken, not stirred.........

This topic to me is always iffy. This may not be a popular view with Troutly and Srobak here, but bear with me here. My problem is with the now .08 legal limit (infact srobak said something about .05). This is starting to get to the point where you cannot take your kid to the ballgame and have a beer or two, or take the wife to dinner and sip two glasses of wine. This is now targeting the responsible drinkers, the people who have two drinks at dinner then drive 5 mph over the speed limit on the way home, and get pulled over. It seems to me the effort is in the wrong place. When you start hauling guys off to jail everytime the blow even a .08, then each and every one of us who has ever had a drink, or anyone of us who has ever had a hangover and driven should be put in jail and had their license revoked. I feel that is a misdirection of efforts.

The guy that I am worried about, and I think most of us are worried about, is the habitual offender, like the 22 DUI guy Troutly was speaking of. Srobak is right, this guy should be imprisoned for multiple decades. If you have more than one DUI you should also get a pretty good smack, but thei first time DUI at .08 stuff is really impinging on government intrusion. So are DUI checkpoints.

I guess the summation is, discretion needs to be used. If you are getting hammered and driving, then you need to be held accountable, period. If you keep getting DUI's then you need to be held accouttable. But if you are out with the wife and kids and blow a .08 for goodness sakes, man......that is really really iffy. Now if you are coming home from the ballgame with the kid standing on the front seat with no seatbelt on (I THINK THAT IS MUCH WORSE THAN ANY .08 DUI......AN UNRESTRAINED CHILD!!!!! I HATE THAT) and you are like .18 or something, then yeah, you need to be punished.

Hope all this rambling makes sense to someone other than me.......HeHeHe......

You guys are just not drinking enough. Once you get over .36 you are legally dead and cant be prosecuted. I think I am never under .1.

Allan4, I agree with you. The information that I have compiled is mostly for my benefit as I do not drive "drunk". Although I am sure if stopped at the right time I could have been legally intoxicated many times. When I do my serious partying I normally have a dd. If I stop by a clients rest./bar and they offer a drink or 2 I don't see a problem getting home.

I would also like tostress again, do not drive while your drunk.

I totally agree that driving while drunk is bad. I also think that 50% or more of the people driving are driving as poorly if not worse than the recreational drinker, especially those on other forms of recreational drugs, cell phones, food, children and makeup. I do have a problem with the criminalization of something deemed wrong BEFORE anything wrong happened. Lets see, I own a gun, Well, that might go off and shoot someone so I should be arrested before that happens?? If I cause a wreck or kill someone, and Im drunk, hang my ass, otherwise leave me alone, its none of your business to decide what might happen. I drive 1000 miles a week frequently and the behavior I see on the roads just amazes me. I never thought Id say this, but we need many many more police on the roads enforcing existing laws. I frequently see drivers on the Ohio turnpike in excess of 80 going by troopers in the median and they dont even blink. Never mind Rt 95 on the east coast which might as well be renamed something more appropriate to a race track or demolition derby. Done venting now.