That may have been me!

I would be willing to provide AMSOIL products to any forum members at Preferred Customer pricing which is dealer cost. Basically you will pay the same as I would shipped to your address. Take a look at the catalog link below and figure out what you need and send an email to [email protected] . Be sure to include the type of product you are interested in, quantity, and location with ZIP code. I will get back to you ASAP with a price quote at dealer cost.

Online catalog link (save it to your computer or bookmark the link for future use): http://www.modernoils.com/media/pdf_...ineCatalog.pdf

Thanks
Ken

Thanks for the response Ken. Unfortunately this is too late for this year since I just placed an order for all my oil changes this year through the Amsoil web site at discount using their one time only $10 membership fee.

I will definately contact you next year.

I was interested in the latest Amsoil web site posted test data that now includes the Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W50 which shows higher wear than the Amsoil Series 2000 20W50 Racing Oil.

Thanks,

Bill

With all of the oil jockeys out there - I have enjoyed the reading. Haven't quite read all of it, though. I am running stock Bravo uppers with Imco lowers. What drive oil do you recommend? I have used Mercury, but since increasing power want to switch to the best synthetic. Why is one better than the others? Thanks.

Can we include grease on this thread? Not so much a brand discussion, but just how many different grease applications there are?
Just within the Merc/Quicksilver brand I've seen: Special 101, 2-4-C, U-Joint and Gimbal, Marine and Trailer, Anti-Corrosion...
I can read the labels, but are there greases out there that I can use in more than one application so I don't have to keep 4 different tubes around?

To all those who have been frustrated by oil filters that wont fit in the mid 90s big blocks with the remote filter pointing down, the Wix racing 51069R filter WILL fit. The KN 3002, the Mobil 1-302, and any other tall filter will not fit. Finally I have found a top notch filter that will fit these engines. The Mobil1 M1-111 will fit but is so small it doesnt last long. The Wix Racing seems to be the answer.

Whats wrong with a Wix 51086 (NAPA GOLD 1086)? It fits fine and is the same length as the stock Merc filter.

It's not a great filter. Its a good filter but the Wix racing filters are superior.

Wix Racing...Mobil-1...Amsoil...Mercury Racing....and K&N are all real good and similiar.

In terms of flow only or in terms of flow and filtration?

Those previously listed ..have very good flow and very good filtration.

Go with a dual fitration system if more flow is desired.

Wix 1086 (or 1069): Flow 9 - 11 GPM, Filtration 19 microns
Wix 1069R: Flow 28 GPM, Filtration 61 microns

Great info. , Just to make sure will the WIX 51069R fit the HP 500 EFI with the stock filter location ?

Go with the taller 51060R.

What oil is appropriate for some old 540/575 from -87, mineral 20/50W? The old gaskets arn´t compatible with todays syntetic oil?

under another thread as to where to by mobil 1 online (mail order)- the poster said he just recently bought mobil 1 red cap- any thoughts as to what he bought at wally world-I am going now to see if I can get and maybe should be tested if I can find here in florida

I see Teague is now recommending synthetic since his new amsoil sponsorship.

Lots of Amsoil promotion out there.


Mobil-1 15W-50 Silve Cap is runing real good.

Who is using M-1 Silver Cap this season?

I am.

I started running v-twin this season. When I had an oil analysis done at 25 hours, it looked great.

Problem is, front main seal started leaking. I switched back to quicksilver and it didn't fix the leak. I might switch back to v-twin next season once I fix the leak, but i'm thinking i'll probably just stick with the quicksilver.

hmmm:ernaehrung004:

On a gear oil note, have you guys seen this yet? http://www.modernoils.com/g2457GearOilWhitePaper.pdf

What are your thoughts on Schaeffer Oil...particularly the micron molly straight blend?

http://www.schaefferoil.com/110_racing_oil.html

I've heard of good things in the aviation community which I'd think suits well in the marine industry. Some synthetics have quite a [surprising] variation in viscosity with respect to temperature. Also, what is the right combo of machining reliefs in the rod end bearing sections with respect to viscosity? There is definitely a tradeoff with getting oil to process through the bearing and take heat away (low viscosity, big reliefs) with potential breach of the oil film versus maintaining proper oil film thickness to prevent metal to metal contact (no reliefs, high viscosity). But..."deadheading" the oil flow through the bearings causes significant heat buildup and major reduction in oil viscosity and oil life even though that deceiving oil pressure gage tells you the false notion that things are ok. Thoughts? Chevy bottom ends seem to be the weakest link. And why is it, many dragsters run mineral based oils, big rod end clearances or preferably reliefs and single weight oils? Granted, their bottom end stress exposure is short lived, but, they are most interested in keeping those motors together with the least amount of teardowns as possible! :cool-smiley-027:

What about coatings for the crankshaft to make it less susceptible to bearing material transfer if there is metal to metal contact? There are coatings out there with 95 Rc hardness and 0.09 coefficient of friction compared to chrome which is 70 Rc hardness and 0.2 coefficient of friction...these coatings are tougher and slipperier than nitriding...Bravo gear upgrade?:ernaehrung004:

just found mobil 1 ep at wally world but it now has a gold cap. any know how good this is? has anyone tested it? have been using the silver cap and been very happy in boats trucks and cars!!! oops-I just reaad the old posts looking for oil filter info & read that I just bought the gold cap crap. question- did my local wally world buy some old stock ( they have only had the silver for a LONG time) or could this be a new formulation again?

every part store around now has the mobil 1 ep w/ a gold cap & have been told it is new product. Help hydro. what is this stuff. anyone know?

ttt

The 15w50 Silver Cap M-1 is great for marine; the gold cap is more of an automotive formulation I understand..

I just bought some silver cap today at Walmart in 15-50 in the 5qt jugs. They had the EP/gold cap as well. The silver was $22 and the gold was $30.

I hate to say it, but you usually get what you pay for & if so,then why is gold cap more $, I know the gold cap down here has contest and prize info on it that runs from about june to october 2007

pm sent
:ernaehrung004:

A few asked if this thread is available...here it is..

Here you go. AMSOIL Dominator 15w-50 Race Oil. I can get it for $8.10 a qt or $92 a case plus shipping.

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx?zo=1132530

AMSOIL Dominator® Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil (RD50) provides superior performance and maximum protection in high-performance and racing applications. Formulated to withstand the elevated RPM, high temperatures and shock-loading common to racing applications, Dominator Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil delivers superior performance and maximum protection in extreme conditions.
See Pricing Information or Place an Order

Package sizes include:

1-Quart Bottle
1-Quart Bottles (case of 12)
1-Gallon Bottle
1-Gallon Bottles (case of 4)
55-Gallon Drum

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
AMSOIL Dominator® Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil (RD50) provides superior performance and maximum protection in high-performance and racing applications. Formulated to withstand the elevated RPM, high temperatures and shock-loading common to racing applications, Dominator Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil delivers superior performance and maximum protection in extreme conditions. Its shear-stable formulation was engineered to provide maximum horsepower without sacrificing engine protection. Dominator Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil provides straight-grade protection in a multi-grade formulation.

AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world’s first API-qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972. Trust the extensive experience of AMSOIL The First in Synthetics® to do the best job protecting your engine.

MAXIMUM DURABILITY, MAXIMUM WEAR PROTECTION
AMSOIL Dominator Synthetic Racing Oil features an additive package heavily fortified with zinc and phosphorus for superior long-term wear protection. Designed for maximum durability, it ensures critical engine components are protected for the duration of the race. Dominator Synthetic Racing Oil’s superior additive technology provides unmatched durability in extreme conditions. In addition, its high levels of zinc and phosphorus additives make it ideal for street rods, muscle cars and other vehicles with flat-tappet cams.

SUPERIOR PERFORMANCE
Dominator Synthetic Racing Oil’s proprietary friction modifier provides reduced friction for maximum power and cooler engine temperatures, resulting in improved lap times and longer-lasting equipment.

PROTECTION FROM STARTUP TO THE CHECKERED FLAG
Dominator Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil’s multi-viscosity design provides maximum protection in temperature extremes. Dominator Racing Oil offers excellent coldstart protection and provides less drag when engine oil has not reached stable operating temperatures. It maintains superior film strength during high-temperature operation on the track.

SUPERIOR-QUALITY OILS, NO DISCRIMINATION
Many oil companies produce specialty racing oils for elite groups and do not offer them to the general public. For instance, several popular oil manufacturers produce racing oils offered only to NASCAR racers. All AMSOIL synthetic motor oils are already formulated to a higher level of performance than competitors’ oils, and AMSOIL Dominator Synthetic Racing Oil is no exception. It provides maximum performance and superior protection to all racers, regardless of their level of competition. The same AMSOIL Dominator Synthetic Racing Oil that is used in the engines of AMSOIL corporately-sponsored racers, including Scott Douglas and Brady Smith, are available to everyone.

APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Dominator Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil is recommended for high-rpm, high-horsepower, turbo/supercharged, gasoline- or alcohol-burning, nitro-fueled or nitrous oxide gas-injected applications operated under severe conditions.

Applications include, but are not limited to, the following:
• Asphalt Late Model • Dirt Late Model • Modified Big Block • Ford Crate Late Model • Dodge Crate Late Model • Endurance • Rally • Sprint • Truck-Pull • Aluminum Block • Marine • Other high-performance racing and street applications requiring 50-weight oil.

AMSOIL offers WIX Racing Oil Filters for racing applications. WIX racing filters are specially designed for racing applications only.


TYPICAL TECHNICAL PROPERTIES

Dominator® Synthetic 15W-50 Racing Oil (RD50)

Kinematic Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 17.5

Kinematic Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt (ASTM D-445) 119.6

Viscosity Index (ASTM D-2270) 162

CCS Viscosity (°C), cP (ASTM D-5293) 6695 (-20)

Pour Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-97) -36 (-33)

Flash Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 234 (453)

Fire Point °C (°F) (ASTM D-92) 248 (478)

Four Ball Wear Test
(ASTM D-4172B: 40 kgf, 75°C, 1200 rpm, 1 hr), Scar, mm 0.47

Noack Volatility, % weight loss (g/100g) (ASTM D-5800) 8.0

Shear Stability Kurt Orbahn (ASTM D-6278), % viscosity change 90 cycles. 6.3

High-Temperature/High-Shear Viscosity, 150ºC, 1.4x106s-1, cP (ASTM D-5481) 5.4

I need to know what the ZDDP and Phosphate and Moly and Calcium and Boron levels are.

@ $10.70/qt... i deserve to know before I buy in!......:eek:

Hydrocruiser,
How do you feel about mixing the Silver Cap 15w-50 with the 20w- 50 V twin? I was thinking of doing this to save some $$. I am running twin 540's, right around 600hp.

You've got what, probably at least 20K in engines, let alone the boat, and you're worried about 10-20 bucks? Whats wrong with this picture????

I've blended 15w50 and V twin before - works fine.

Pumps the ZDDP level of Silvercap from 1200ppm to 1400 ppm.

I see no problem.

Well whats wrong with the picture is the economy is in the crapper, and premium is $5.00/per gal on the water. When I bought the boat and did the engines times were different. Now I barley have two nickels to rub together.
If you can't answer the question, or have something helpful to say, please keep your thoughtless comments to yourself.

Thanks Hydro and Mental, I am going to give it a shot. I figure I should save about $40 a change, over straight V-twin.

I don't mean to be disrespectful or anything, but the difference in price to me is nickels over the long run. Me personally, I use AMSOIL Series 2000 Racing Oil in my boat, and still have not actually seen any factual evidence of the Mobil V twin being better. There has been a lot of hearsay about it being better, but nothing in writing. An oil change on my twin 496ho's costs me, with filters, about $230. Each HO takes 10 quarts. The oil runs about $9.00/qt and the filters about $15 ea. I buy two cases, which is 12 qts each, leaves me a little for any additional needed, and I run it for one year.

You will absolutly no problem, they are both Mobil products with chemistries that are compatible. I have mixed petroleim oils with synthetics with syn/blends and different viscosities. Absolutely no problem. the oils were all from the same manufacturer and the chemistries and additive packages were all the same.

Ken