Why don't you google how they settled their lawsuits. Then ask that question. They are all a SCAM! Well, Lucas, not so much, but their products aren't that great. Additives as stated earlier, if were supposed to be in the oil, they would already be from the beginning.

They all claim to work...

In the case of PTFE (not seen around as much anymore) the teflon particles were actually showm to cause cylinder damage.

Solution? Compnaies filed for chapter 13..

Oil Filter
 

Im changing the oil on my 525 to start the season, I am currently running the M1-302 filter. I purchased a few WIX 51060R filters over the winter to try. I run my boat pretty hard so I thought the "racing" filters might be a better option. The more I read this thread, the more Im am confused on the designation of a "race" filter. Some post read as if I would need to chage filters ever time Im out. I usually do oil changes every 15-20 hours, is this to long an interval with a "racing" filter?

The M-1 302 on a HP 525 is a good match.

If it were an 1500 HP Sterling then I would say to sacrifice flow for filtration.

I have run a Wix R filter for 2 seasons, about 50 hours each, without any trouble using Mobil 1 synthetic oil but I am on a stock 502 Mag, nothing hard core. Held good pressure all season.

Though I would like to hear from an expert if these filters are good for that long.

More reference material,

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...duct_Guide.pdf


Jeff

Hydrocruiser,

Thanks for the extraordinary detailed information.

What is your history thats is related to your expertise in oils and oil filters? Are you in the oil industry?

Degree in chemistry and have been following synthetics sine the 1970's.

Lot's of marine ecperience in small and big blocks.

Not really an expert but know what the good stuff is and what to look for.

A Wix R we found out a whle back is essentially a Merc racing Filter. It too is a real good choice and a great price.

Here is something i ran across while researching safe oil temps. Has some good stuff to read by another oil freak. No offense Hydro......

http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

www.bobistheoilguy.com

as well!

After thousands of posts the funny thing is that nothing beats M-1 20W-50 V-Twin!

Tried and true. :lolhit:

A while back Penzoil marketing campaign began that showed test results of brand 'B' versus Penzoil after x hours of high temperature cook. The brand 'B' looked like tar and the Penzoil looked new. Have you seen this advertisement at your local oil change facility and how does this reconcile with your information?

Puroator Pure ONE PL34631 oil filter
 

I have been chasing a high oil temperature issue during extended WOT running based upon the electric oil temperature gage information. I attempted to confirm the gages accuracy by double checking the oil temperature with infared temp gun and quick tip thermocouple on the remote oil filter (the oil temp gage sensor is located in this remote oil filter).

The results (attached) seem reasonable given the test method until the gage reading exceeded ~245F. Above 245F the gage reading showed the oil temperature as continuing to increase as the WOT runs continued but both the infared temp gun and quick tip thermocouple readings said that the oil temperature was staying steady at ~220F.

Oil is M1 15W50 EP Gold Cap with very low hours, 5500 - 5700 rpm WOT, hot oil pressure in the 50's.

Is there anything in the Puroator Pure ONE PL34631 design that could be causing this?

Anyone have a similar experience with electric oil temperature gage?

The Pure One is supposed to be a decent filter.

Next time you do an oil change go with a Wix or NAPA Gold and check your temps again.

Really?

What about these guys line of Marine Lubricants?

http://www.aerospacelubricants.com/

Chris

Hydrocruiser?

Well, in just comparing the greases, which is a little tough to do, AMSOIL's grease beats there's is all wear tests, which seem to be only the few tests that both use. Oh yeah, and its less expensive by quite a margin.

Also, comparing 10w-30 motor oils, the AMSOIL beats it there too, in comparable categories. And once again, its 2/3 of the price.

It was my understanding that their grease beat out the Amsoil in military testing, and that is why the Air Force and NASA use it to grease their planes, and on the Mars rover. By the way... I have been using Amsoil in my drive, and use Mobil 1 V-twin in my engine.. I have been told by a couple of outboard racer guys the this gear lubel was the ****z, and have tried it in my outdrive. I picked up around 90 rpm +/-, and my outdrive temp dropped aproximately 35 deg. I have yet to try their oil in my motor.

Chris

I have been using Aerospace Lubricants in my drives since the early 90s. I had lower drive temps with their gear lube when I tested back then.

I used their engine oil for a number of years, but it left a black residue on all the alumium components and my engine builder did not like it.

The owners are great guys to work with and will take the time to talk to you about your specific aplication.

Compare them yourself. The data sheets for both products are available. Take a minute and look at both of them. For one example, the AMSOIL grease and 10w-30 beat their products in the 4ball wear scar test by almost half the wear. There are other categories too, but that is just one of them. I'm not saying its a bad product, but, for the price, AMSOIL is just as good, and half to 2/3 the cost.

Great info... Thanks

Chris

Amsoil is a top drawer company and their products perform.

It would be nice to see them offer free shipping:eek:

Oh, have I been down that road before. I agree, it would be nice, but, legitimately, you pay for shipping on everything you buy. Its just buried in the price. If you can find me a truck that drives down the road, and runs on air, I would love to see it. Nothing runs, nor does anyone drive, for free.

Shipping, that a store pays for a truck load, is a lot cheaper per gallon than you or I would pay when ordering some few gallons shipped by UPS/FedEx/USPS.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hydrocruiser
Penzoil conventional oils have a high parafin level which some liike and some dislike. It adds film strength but when it breaks down it forms sludge.

All in all the correct weight of Penzoil is usually good. Why racers prefer Kendall or Castrol generally I am not sure.

Well I went looking for myself. The Pennzoil add campaign referred to their higher refined (97% contamination free) "PureBase" as the reason for the good test results per the "Double Pass Sequence IIIG" engine test which is actually an ASTM test run twice...RE: "Double Pass". It would be futile to attempt to adequately summarize how Pennzoil ran a foul of the Judicial system in their add claims so if anyone is really interested in the mind numbingly involved details please feel free to go to the following and check it out:
http://www.riker.com/casedecisions/index.php?id=11059

Most advertising is BS....that being said 50% of an oil is the basestock and 50% the critical additives...detergency...anti-wear..anti corrsion etc.

Penzoil has some great oils..as does Kendall as does some other...you have to check them all out!

That being said most M-1 synthetic and Amsoil products are outstadning...less sorting out to do.

Make sense?

Oil advertising can be and usually is.......BS......and that is why we have this Marine Lubrication Thread on OSO I would imagine!!

Cooking an oil to it's flashpoint to 600*F and comparing it to others means little really.

I know adds are mostly BS and I need to not forget that fact as I did in this case.

However the IIIE Engine Sequence Test that Pennzoil used for their adds is an ASTMD5533 engine test and not just a hot plate test.

RE: "This is the test Pennzoil performed, at double its normal length, as the basis for its advertisement. This test is designated by ASTM as ASTMD5533. The ASTM Publication describes this test as a test method for evaluating automotive engine oils for certain high-temperature performance characteristics, including oil-thickening, sludge and varnish deposition, and oil consumption, as well as engine wear. This test employs a 3.8L V- 6 Buick engine (circa 1986-87), run on leaded fuel for a term of sixty-four hours. This test method was developed to correlate with field experience using oils of known good and poor protection against oil thickening and engine wear. The test evaluates selected parts of the engine, such as pistons, rocker covers, rocker cover deflectors, front cover, oil pump screens and oil rings, for oil thickening, et al., during the test. These are the so-called rated parts.

The IIIE test is comprised of nine parameters,See footnote 44 each of which is of equal significance and independent of the other parameters. In order to pass the IIIE test, it is necessary for the engine motor oil to pass all of the test parameters. The parties quarrel whether oil consumption during the test is a test performance parameter or a criterion for judging test validity. Ford's WSS-M2C913-A specification for factory and service fill oil requirements characterize oil consumption as a performance parameter. The ASTM Manual 5533, to the contrary, terms oil consumption as a validity criterion. Pennzoil contends that oil consumption is a performance factor, while Castrol contrarily asserts that it is a test validity criterion."

I would have liked to been a fly on the wall when they did the test.

FYI..Penzoil Platinum is used by a lot of guys on Bob's site with excellent results and it's offered in a 15W-50. I do not know how much ZDDP is in it. So probably send in a test sample and if it's at or over 1200 ppm...like M-1 15W-50 SilverCap...you are good to go.

How about an update!


What oil and filter are you using these days?

What engines?

Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 + MI-302 filter, 600hp gen4 BBC

Mobil 1 Synthetic Gear Lube LS 75W-140, Bravo 1 (modified)

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 + seadoo filter, Seadoo RXP

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 + Canam filter, CanAm outlander xt 800R

what did you expect? :drink:

Is the difference between M1 15-50 silver cap and gold cap worth the price difference in a marine engine/change intervals (~600hp BBC)?

We have a believer! :kiss:

Silver Cap is great!

I am not even sure why they introduced Gold... anyways as it is about the same as Silver Cap which is about the same as the old Red Cap.

I stopped by my local speed shop and they carry ZDDP liquid oil additive. I was thinking of adding it to M1 V-twin for my new JC Perf engine. (dyno time only). Their website has some good info. From the website I figure 1/2 oz per quart added to M1 v-twin 20-50 would bring the ZDDP up to 2750 ppm. What do you guys think? Hydro? Doug

Marketing...

I'd run whatever JC suggests as he knows what tolerances he designed into the motor

Waste of money.

Ken

[QUOTE=minxguy;2894081]Waste of money.


You have to give me more than that. It seems ZDDP is a factor in the quality of the oil. Are you saying there is already enough in the off the shelf oils? http://www.cam-shield.com/index.html Doug

Yeah, I agree with the above statement. It seems like a marketing scam to me, just like Slick 50 and all the others. If the oil manufacturers wanted more ZDDP in that particular oil, they would have put it in there. After multimillions of dollars figuring out the proper chemical makeup of the oil, it is what it is. My personal opinion, nothing should be added to ANY OIL!