Fountain 47, 2372cid single engine diesel
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Good call on the high flow larger micron rating oil filters. You can run it up and see how they flow, then change out for the better filtering. Interesting to see how the tighter micron filters would flow in parallel with the others. The other side of the filter would have less pressure with the tighter media, and would likely restrict flow.
Maybe have a seperate oil polishing system that is lower pressure and just keeps the oil clean. More parts and complexity, but could be the better option to a very high oil pressure system that you want to simplify on the main feeds.
Maybe have a seperate oil polishing system that is lower pressure and just keeps the oil clean. More parts and complexity, but could be the better option to a very high oil pressure system that you want to simplify on the main feeds.
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Awesome to have it in the water! The engineering is truly impressive.
Hard to tell from pictures, but my experience with this engine is that the oil flow is absolutely massive, so should require quite large lines everywhere etc.
In the tank the centrifugal cleaner for example was on the return side, so it did not mess with oil pressure. As I understand it your oil cooler is on the high pressure side?
Perhaps it could be moved to the return side.
Do you have an oil pressure gauge at the oil pump so you know the initial pressure is correct?
Just to verify that the pump is putting out the correct flow and has enough restriction (something could be leaking).
My oil pressure gauge is in the stock position, at the entrance to the block. I have 8 bar pressure at idle and 10 bar everywhere else.
Great work and good luck.
Hard to tell from pictures, but my experience with this engine is that the oil flow is absolutely massive, so should require quite large lines everywhere etc.
In the tank the centrifugal cleaner for example was on the return side, so it did not mess with oil pressure. As I understand it your oil cooler is on the high pressure side?
Perhaps it could be moved to the return side.
Do you have an oil pressure gauge at the oil pump so you know the initial pressure is correct?
Just to verify that the pump is putting out the correct flow and has enough restriction (something could be leaking).
My oil pressure gauge is in the stock position, at the entrance to the block. I have 8 bar pressure at idle and 10 bar everywhere else.
Great work and good luck.
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Awesome to have it in the water! The engineering is truly impressive.
Hard to tell from pictures, but my experience with this engine is that the oil flow is absolutely massive, so should require quite large lines everywhere etc.
In the tank the centrifugal cleaner for example was on the return side, so it did not mess with oil pressure. As I understand it your oil cooler is on the high pressure side?
Perhaps it could be moved to the return side.
Do you have an oil pressure gauge at the oil pump so you know the initial pressure is correct?
Just to verify that the pump is putting out the correct flow and has enough restriction (something could be leaking).
My oil pressure gauge is in the stock position, at the entrance to the block. I have 8 bar pressure at idle and 10 bar everywhere else.
Great work and good luck.
Hard to tell from pictures, but my experience with this engine is that the oil flow is absolutely massive, so should require quite large lines everywhere etc.
In the tank the centrifugal cleaner for example was on the return side, so it did not mess with oil pressure. As I understand it your oil cooler is on the high pressure side?
Perhaps it could be moved to the return side.
Do you have an oil pressure gauge at the oil pump so you know the initial pressure is correct?
Just to verify that the pump is putting out the correct flow and has enough restriction (something could be leaking).
My oil pressure gauge is in the stock position, at the entrance to the block. I have 8 bar pressure at idle and 10 bar everywhere else.
Great work and good luck.
Cooler to return side will be better to prevent pressure drop on high pressure side but it will be bad idea for oil air removal inside dry sump tank. Hot oil doesn't hold air as much as cold.
I'm not afraid about bigger micron filters, truck engines run million miles with those and my Fountain oil change interval is 60 times smaller. For example Scania centrifugal cleaner can be used but I don't thin it's necessary. By the way, under 2000 year scanias didn't have oil filter at all, only centrifugal cleaner! Small filter for turbo is used.
What application you use Transmash? Pulling engine?
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You can have a lot of aeration in the motor oil before it becomes a problem according to this SAE paper:
https://www.sae.org/publications/tec...ontent/932785/
https://www.sae.org/publications/tec...ontent/932785/
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Original soviet handbook for T-55 tank told pressure hould be 10-12 bars at high rpm. I think very high oil pressure is needed because all oil to bearings come from front end of cranksaft that is machined hollow to lubricate all bearings. There is rotating fitting that feed oil in crank, main bearing, thrust bearing and rod bearings are feeded from crankshaft. There are no oil galley or channels in cylinder block. Centrifugal force may affect pressure somehow or high pressure is needed to keep good oil pressure in last bearing too. I don't know better answer but all tractor pulling Transmash engines and original battle tanks have over ten bar oil pressure, I really don't want to test if less is good.....
...It will be better if oil temp is over 70c, that's true but engine have to keep enough oil pressure, it's more important.
...It will be better if oil temp is over 70c, that's true but engine have to keep enough oil pressure, it's more important.
Oil cooler may have too low flow too, one bar shortcut valve past cooler if pressure differense are bigger than 1 bar, now this thing can't be restrictor anymore.
I take oil thermostat out from filter housing and simplify circulation as much I can. All oil go now from pump to cooler, then to filter housing, excess oil go to piston coolers, main flow in engine. Turbos and injection pump is reduset to 4 bars. Should work.
I take oil thermostat out from filter housing and simplify circulation as much I can. All oil go now from pump to cooler, then to filter housing, excess oil go to piston coolers, main flow in engine. Turbos and injection pump is reduset to 4 bars. Should work.
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I read somewhere that you did closed cooling on a pair of 1000 plus horsepower motors back in the day but cannot find the article now. I’ve tried emailing you at work with no success. Could you please contact me at your convenience? 901-491-4500
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I have some 8mm video of you in that past life running BAM in the playpen. If memory serves me right the hull was red??? I need to find that reel and digitize it. Sorry for the hijack! Now back to the Fountain.
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I didn't have measure point after pump, only oil going in the engine. Now I made gauge port right after pump to figure out is pressure falling after pump or after filter housing.
Cooler to return side will be better to prevent pressure drop on high pressure side but it will be bad idea for oil air removal inside dry sump tank. Hot oil doesn't hold air as much as cold.
I'm not afraid about bigger micron filters, truck engines run million miles with those and my Fountain oil change interval is 60 times smaller. For example Scania centrifugal cleaner can be used but I don't thin it's necessary. By the way, under 2000 year scanias didn't have oil filter at all, only centrifugal cleaner! Small filter for turbo is used.
What application you use Transmash? Pulling engine?
Cooler to return side will be better to prevent pressure drop on high pressure side but it will be bad idea for oil air removal inside dry sump tank. Hot oil doesn't hold air as much as cold.
I'm not afraid about bigger micron filters, truck engines run million miles with those and my Fountain oil change interval is 60 times smaller. For example Scania centrifugal cleaner can be used but I don't thin it's necessary. By the way, under 2000 year scanias didn't have oil filter at all, only centrifugal cleaner! Small filter for turbo is used.
What application you use Transmash? Pulling engine?
Must be a pressure limiter somewhere because it never exceeds 10 bar.
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Fountain is in running condition again. Oil system get more flow and injection pump governor is changed from RQV to RSV. I will make test run soon but before that I have to adjust oil pressure and injection pump idle damper. Idle is s poor as before but now it have more adjustments.
I like this sound too, it sound like blower surge BIG bore lamborghini but engine have to run better idle.
I like this sound too, it sound like blower surge BIG bore lamborghini but engine have to run better idle.
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Fountain is in running condition again. Oil system get more flow and injection pump governor is changed from RQV to RSV. I will make test run soon but before that I have to adjust oil pressure and injection pump idle damper. Idle is s poor as before but now it have more adjustments.
I like this sound too, it sound like blower surge BIG bore lamborghini but engine have to run better idle.
https://youtu.be/iRNPwjgwim8?feature=shared
I like this sound too, it sound like blower surge BIG bore lamborghini but engine have to run better idle.
https://youtu.be/iRNPwjgwim8?feature=shared


