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Funny thing is I was thinking it’s a great name lol
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Originally Posted by thisistank
(Post 4807230)
I think I may have said this a few pages back but if I had the opportunity to redo a cabin, I’d do it like Phil does his with the basic benches between the cabin door and first bulk head and then through a zipper two lay down lounges and a porta-potty / changing room. Or even instead of the lounge beds, finished storage area. I dig that set up. Little more user friendly than just a vee birth bed.
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All that bright white is scary.
Could we go on and get ahead of the issue by doing a “greasy hand print” vinyl? |
Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
(Post 4807236)
ooooh I like the bed set up that`s different, put some more storage in there, maybe some kitchen cabinets and a closet . :D
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Originally Posted by H20 Toie
(Post 4807252)
Tank what boat is that from? looks sick
the lounges with the porta potty in the middle is the blue 50 Phil built. The seats is a 42x I believe. |
I’m going to go with something like the second picture this boat is going to be strictly business. I’m looking for a wave cruiser that is solid and doesn't rattle around and runs 90 those are my goals lol
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Originally Posted by payuppsucker
(Post 4807276)
And a Chocolate Martini station please……
That`s a must! It`s the Cig lifestyle.:cool-smiley-011: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c3e7595eee.jpg |
Well guess I’ll have to add a mini bar in my bare cabin lol
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Another vote for Pearl!
Awesome work you are doing, been following thread since you started. Really cool to see the progress... and terrifying at the same time :lolhit: |
Thanks !!! Yes this has been a wild ride of ups and downs Covid didn’t help sir to the fact you can’t buy parts because you know plastic and metal gets Covid…..that’s for another day. Everything is backed up the simplest part takes months to build and such on. But it’s making progress I still find myself getting agervated from time to time with how slow it’s going but I’m doing everything on my own. One thing this project had thought me is I’m not afraid to take on any task of the restoration at this point if I mess it up o well I’ll sand it off and try again. Found a local guy to get VE resin from so I was able to finish up all the glass. Hoping to put in the new dash pods and door this weekend. That will be a nice thing done. Then I can move on to wiring .
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Division1
It looks great, I did a similar deck off, bulkhead out, total rebuild to a Formula F-302 in the early 90's so I feel the pleasure and pain (I still think I have chronic glass itch to this day). I was truly amazed the Formula factory put the F-302 together so badly, it was an 80's boat so i assume total mass production in the Miami Vice days... Screws, nothing but screws ........I mean they screwed carpet covered panels between the cockpit and cabin and called them bulkheads, same drill separating the cabin and v berth ...... they screwed the deck and hull together via the aluminum rubrail and i swear they used plumber's putty as a bonding agent ....... absolute crap. (1/4-20 at 6" centers +5200 was the fix) After an 18 month re-do, it was truly amazing the fist time I took it out in 5 footers off Newport RI...... launched and landed off the swells and nothing shook or vibrated :drink: I went all white and never looked back....... I used Awlgrip on the hull, I did consider variations of white eg pearl but the painter pointed out crap happens and hulls get dinged, touchup would be a lot easier with plain old white Can't wait to see your finished product !!! |
Ok so got some test panels and had a buddy who mixes paint come Over and we mixed a few different white pearls shot them on some test panels took them outside and looked at them in the sun. I’ll get some pics up but I got to say we found a white Pearl that is kick ass against black I think it’s going to be Pearl white and her name is going to be white Pearl!!!!
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Looking for mounting advice on the water pick ups ?anyone put new ones on these older guns ?
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Originally Posted by division1
(Post 4808400)
Looking for mounting advice on the water pick ups ?anyone put new ones on these older guns ?
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...caeb54cec.jpeg I just finished building mine. |
That’s a serious bad ass set up my friend
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Originally Posted by division1
(Post 4808404)
That’s a serious bad ass set up my friend
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Here's an old picture, you can barely see it. They are fixed mount. Provide great flow, and good for 5-15 psi depending on speed, never had an issue. I forget what size feeding the big Hardin dual stage strainers 1-1/4"? Like B18 above, it also has the drain plugs through the mounting plate. It's a nice setup, I think mine were custom made. Possibly off the shelf, forget this was about 6-7 years ago. They stick under the running surface but not much, maybe 1/4" .
B18, where yours are full dia, facing forward, mine are cut more like the bottom surface of the hull (flush). Water almost shoots "up" into them. Picture all that force pushing down from the hull, when the water leaves the back edge of the running surface, there is a lot of pressure (displacement) that is relieved and in turn pressurizes the pickup tube. This way you create less drag (but on the non step hulls I would bet any "speed gain" very minimal) https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3d7997ed4c.jpg |
B18cls69, you feed both engines and both intercoolers with that pick up ?
Put a Tee in bilge ? |
Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
(Post 4808483)
B18cls69, you feed both engines and both intercoolers with that pick up ?
Put a Tee in bilge ? One single pickup feeds a strainer, then from strainer to a two-stage water pump. One inlet - two outlets: one to engine, one to intercooler. Pump below, kinda hard to see. Just (1) one 1-1/4"dia water feed to pump. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fbc45f7106.jpg |
Originally Posted by division1
(Post 4807753)
Ok so got some test panels and had a buddy who mixes paint come Over and we mixed a few different white pearls shot them on some test panels took them outside and looked at them in the sun. I’ll get some pics up but I got to say we found a white Pearl that is kick ass against black I think it’s going to be Pearl white and her name is going to be white Pearl!!!!
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Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
(Post 4808483)
B18cls69, you feed both engines and both intercoolers with that pick up ?
Put a Tee in bilge ? same as frick. they each feed the sea strainers then to a 2 stage pump but then I have a common outlet with a -16 teed off the pump to feed the intercooler. I may separate them like fricks. Just not sure yet |
Originally Posted by frickstyle
(Post 4808477)
Here's an old picture, you can barely see it. They are fixed mount. Provide great flow, and good for 5-15 psi depending on speed, never had an issue. I forget what size feeding the big Hardin dual stage strainers 1-1/4"? Like B18 above, it also has the drain plugs through the mounting plate. It's a nice setup, I think mine were custom made. Possibly off the shelf, forget this was about 6-7 years ago. They stick under the running surface but not much, maybe 1/4" .
B18, where yours are full dia, facing forward, mine are cut more like the bottom surface of the hull (flush). Water almost shoots "up" into them. Picture all that force pushing down from the hull, when the water leaves the back edge of the running surface, there is a lot of pressure (displacement) that is relieved and in turn pressurizes the pickup tube. This way you create less drag (but on the non step hulls I would bet any "speed gain" very minimal) https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3d7997ed4c.jpg |
Looks like I just need to make one I’ll add that to the list that’s a mile along !!
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Floor extension ready to be glassed in https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...eec558b23.jpeg Last little bit of work in the cabin at entrance worki mg my way out !!!! https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6fafab584.jpeg Coming together!! |
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Last little bit working my out of the cabin https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ced799703.jpeg Trimmed the top of the outside stringers to make the platforms stringers look nice 😊 https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a5c8b3670.jpeg Through bolted 3/8 thick angle for the floor extension to sit on I’m going to put a layer of 5200 and drill and tap the angle and put a few flush bolts in it as well |
Looks like your making good progress.... Post a video on You Tube - LOL. Can you explain why the floor extension was necessary? Are you moving the cabin door and dash consoles forward?
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Well how that all came about is this …… these 90s Topgun’s have the liner for the cabin that is set in before the deck was installed. The liners were tabbed in in 4 places. Every single 90s boat I have seen the liner os broke loose and moves around I set up a go pro and slowed down the replay and right as you enter the cabin it was moving about 3 inches witch in return makes cracks around the cabin door entry trim and do on. After cutting the entire liner out we decided it was time to do the new style step door modification. Those pieces are deeper that the old ones and require a flat bull head to back them. This design offer so much more strength in that area then the old set up. The boat was so far apart at that time we decided it was time. Once the extension is installed the entire floor will get 2 layers on top so you won’t be able to see the extension. And it will be stronger than ever lol
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So your boat had a head etc. I can see you stripped the cabin and added bulkheads. So one extra bulkhead? Any thoughts on weight and balance issues with the removal of the liner? You will be much lighter up front (I think I read that you removed around 1,000 lbs. of weight) will the weight reduction impact increase the porpoising or is that sort of a non-issue? The work looks fantastic it will be great to see you begin to rig it! Thanks for explaining. Much appreciated!
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No prob so my liner had 0 bulk heads that went from deck to floor so all three I put in are new. It gave the deck tremendous out of strength walking down it. We took out 1548 pounds of liner / wiring / plumbing from the cabin. We have kept track of every gram of resin and weighed all the wood pieces and stringers. We will have our back almost 600 pounds. So all in all we shaved 1000 from the cabin should be good for 5-6 mph. Know all the race people I have talked to said you want the weight in the rear of the boat so we’ll see how true it holds. But I did talk to a few guys that have f2 boats and one guy who cut out his liner and he said it rides so much better. We will see. Another mod I’m doing is mounting the tabs level on the back of the boat instead of at the 22 degree angle there at. I have done a lot of research and rode on a boat with them done it was a cafe and wow it was a big different hoping to have the cabin wrapped up this weekend. I have the white Pearl sticker coming as well !
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Great job , I love these kinds of projects . Just a thought you may want to reach out to a member here thats goes by Kvogt . He did a complete redo on a flat deck like mine , gutted cabin, arneson drives etc. I my opinion nicest flat deck out there followed by ICEDDPLL . If I remember correctly he had center of gravity issues as a result of taking too much weight of the bow and had to add weight to make it work . I agree on straight bottom hulls more wieght to the stern is good but too much may cause issues . Keep up the amazing work . Cheers RG.
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Thanks ! So the flat deck it’s a awesome boat !!! The 90s Topgun’s with notch in the transom react slot different to center of gravity issues. I rode in a 95 Gun that had the liner removed and factory stringers retained and it was awesome it few very straight. With the stringers I built I prolly have another 650 pounds up there so I’m hoping she crushes !!! Hopefully I’ll know next season!! I have spent the last 4 days 12 hour days on it cabin is all done gel coating tomorrow!!!
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Originally Posted by division1
(Post 4809282)
Thanks ! So the flat deck it’s a awesome boat !!! The 90s Topgun’s with notch in the transom react slot different to center of gravity issues. I rode in a 95 Gun that had the liner removed and factory stringers retained and it was awesome it few very straight. With the stringers I built I prolly have another 650 pounds up there so I’m hoping she crushes !!! Hopefully I’ll know next season!! I have spent the last 4 days 12 hour days on it cabin is all done gel coating tomorrow!!!
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No it was .9 mill. It’s a blue one from Columbus area. It has 575 hp 454s and some bravos on it. He bout it for like 7500 bucks had cracked blockes and he put some engines in it cut the liner out it was all cracked and broke bolted some bolsters in it and run the pods out of it lol. It runs like 81 it’s light he calls it just a old pos lol.
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3/4 marine ply with 3 coats of ve resin on both sides. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6a5a7e600.jpeg Tabbed 2 layers all the way around it ties the surrounding bulks heads together along with the sides https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1b03797f4.jpeg hard to tell in pic but up on the 2nd section you can see the 4x6 3/8 thick angle threw bolted to stringers I put a bead of 5200 on that and the drilled and tapped 3/8 number 3 Phillips bolts in them. Rock solid https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b63933c55.jpeg Gel coat tomorrow |
I gotta come by still lol
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Awesome thread, kinda like Jbonz's thread a few years back. Best kind of threads on this board.
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Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 4809321)
Awesome thread, kinda like Jbonz's thread a few years back. Best kind of threads on this board.
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Division1 that is interesting to learn . I put a notch in my Flat Deck a number of years ago when I decided to go from No 3 drives to No 5 drives and avoid running standoff boxes . I believe mine is only the second flat deck to have a notch, Gary Kolfski put one in the FD he owned also a very cool boat There is a thread on this forum some where ( How to put a notch in a Flat Deck) . I have shyed away from moving forward weight because of the troubles Kvogt had . I may now revisit . Cheers RG.
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5200 on all stringers to bond new pieces in https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...cf3c28bc8.jpeg Through bolted the angle in the stringers. After setting pieces on I drilled and tapped the angle so I can bolt the new pieces in. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ab2df91f8.jpeg In and ready to go to glass |
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Tabing cut and ready https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e550228cc.jpeg Glued and glasses in and bolted lol https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b6dac8779.jpeg Cabin in gel finally !!!! |
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