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Old 05-07-2008, 08:55 AM
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Check your policies! Ask anyone who has done the course and they will tell you it was well worth it. But dont be fooled by lower rates on boats that some companies dont cover.
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Old 05-07-2008, 03:32 PM
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It's still a cat, so how do they keep from slapping the bridge? While it might hold it's own, how do you keep from getting pounded to death?

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Cats ride smoother than vees..to the point that you need to stand up in a small vee or risk injuring your back...versus cats that all have seats........ a 24 Skater has much less impact than a 24 vee in racing conditions.......

Cats slap up to about 40 or 50 mph, which while fast for a vee, is a "transition speed for cats
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Forget it.......T2x is still living back in the 80's!!! If he could....he'd have a mullet!
When you think about only five things have changed in performance boating since the 80's and only one is significant.

1. Hering CNC's prop technology...... significant.

2. Beaks............insignificant

3. Bling............. ditto

4. Misplaced Bravado.....ditto

5. The internet..............

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Old 05-07-2008, 03:40 PM
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A vee couldn't go that fast.............

certainly not an Apache......... and I love Apaches.

Bottom line watch all of the big water offshore races after 1981....... cats have dominated.

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The race in your video was flat calm.....very high trim, high rake speed props, and one hull "spilled air" under the other.
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What legal race class in the past were both the 30 Shadow and the 36 Cig competitors? Sport, Mod, Open? Can not recall.
El Boss ....... 36 Cig Sport class.... 30 Shadow Sport class. The owner, Willie Diaz, had both and chose the Shadow for the entire 1982 season...rough or calm...and beat a number of 36 Cigarettes (White Heat, etc).

P.S. with identical aluminum Eickhert engines the cat was 36 mph faster

Maxon 30' Chris Cat.....Open class 1985-86.......... against various Cigarettes............. and Apaches.

Various modified Chris cats and Shadows..... versus Wild Turkey 36' Modified Cigarette.


etc, etc, etc,

Nice try.......... Wrong debate

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El Boss ....... 36 Cig Sport class.... 30 Shadow Sport class. The owner, Willie Diaz, had both and chose the Shadow for the entire 1982 season...rough or calm...and beat a number of 36 Cigarettes (White Heat, etc).

P.S. with identical aluminum Eickhert engines the cat was 36 mph faster

Maxon 30' Chris Cat.....Open class 1985-86.......... against various Cigarettes............. and Apaches.

Various modified Chris cats and Shadows..... versus Wild Turkey 36' Modified Cigarette.


etc, etc, etc,

Nice try.......... Wrong debate

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Are you guys aware T2x has an entire dvd series adressing this issue? I believe it's entitled "Cats conquer offshore" and it's excellent ! Should be required viewing for anyone interested in this topic !!
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Boy that's different than I was quoted. A 26 daytona with a 496ho is about an 80 MPH boat, and it was between 3 and 4K plus the tres course.

Never even came close to $1000 on my 28 pantera that ran close to that. 30 years of boating, never a claim, married with children, 760 credit scores, last speeding ticket was 15 years ago.

You must have a source other than Merkel.
The only other carrier besides Markel that I know of is American Reliable and they will insure a cat...

I have mine with them but they typically won't insure a a first time cat owner and you still need to have gone through and passed a course like Tres' offers, which is well worth the investment in my opinion.

All said and done it was still around $5600.00 with a 6 month lay-up, designated driver policy and inland waterway's only, not including Tres's course... Even if you could find someone else to write the policy at a lower premium they probably wouldn't cover what you need if there was a claim.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:55 PM
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In the late 80s I ran a 30 Chris Cat . We consistently beat the 41 Apaches , Gigarettes , 12 meters etc . in any water conditions .
In 1990 at Virginia beach we placed second in nasty water to a big V hull and trailed by only 30 seconds , with a snapped off trim hose I might add . Ask any throttleman how hard that is , talk about feathering the throttles .
The cat / v debate will never end . Once I got in the cat I never looked back . To each his own and respect for all .
As far as danger is concerned let's face it speed kills , the faster you go , the faster you may go .
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Cats ride smoother than vees..to the point that you need to stand up in a small vee or risk injuring your back...versus cats that all have seats........ a 24 Skater has much less impact than a 24 vee in racing conditions.......

Cats slap up to about 40 or 50 mph, which while fast for a vee, is a "transition speed for cats
I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I think there is probably more to this subject, than just one riding better than another. I think the type of water has a lot to do how each hull type is going to respond. Even the Skater guys say you really need a 36 for the slop we have here in So. Cal.

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