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Nice of you to offer. How many quarts per case, six? The 496HO needs nine to start and then some for back up. You said that you are a distributor. Would it be too much trouble to ship it to me by UPS etc?

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If you are in Indiana or Ohio I might be able to take care of you. There are 36 quarts left and there is a black out still on all Mobil 1 case goods. I just got word about an hour ago.

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..try e-bay :D

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I can put you in touch with a distributor if you are not in Indiana or Ohio.. PM me. and I can help you out.

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Good suggestion but only one case available for bid and I need two.

Thanks!

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Does a lighter weight synthetic oil increase both horsepower and fuel economy?

Yuppers...that's why 0W-30 racing synthetics are getting popular even in Indy cars...BUT..your engine has to be set up to use a light oil or it will be torn to shreads in the process...ie. I would not use 0W-30 racing synthetic in a big-block marine engine...would you? :rolleyes:

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A 0w-X will increase horsepower and fuel economy, will you see the difference? Maybe. Detroit is under a lot of pressure to increase the CAFE numbers (corporate average fuel economy) of their cars, if changing to a 0w increases the milage .2 mpg times the millions of cars they produce I guess the nation as whole will be better off and so will the auto makers. As a rule of thumb in a racing application a lighter weight oil will work well for a number of reasons; The tolerences of the engine are a tick tighter, maybe a half to three quarters of a thou. The oil pumps pump higher volume and pressure and once they start the engine they flat foot it for 500 miles. No stop and start. They also rebuild the whole engine after the race. A heavier weight oil has more film strength. Film strength helps to keep engine parts apart. It is a lot harder to "fall thru" the film layer of a 50 weight than a 20 weight. Remember ALL OIL THINS WITH HEAT. The thickest your oil will be on any given day is just before you start the engine. After that the oil starts to thin, the heavier the oil film at operating temps the better off you will be. Ken

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We sell all of the Indy car teams. From Ganassi, to Team Green. They all love the 0w30. Some are still using the 15w50 and a few have moved to the 5w40. Penske gets a special formulation from ExxonMobil that is not available to the public.. It's great stuff.

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Well said! :drink:

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Hydro,

I didn't realize until recently that Amsoil has a 20w-50 Racing oil. I was using 15w-40 in a 7.4 MPI but so far, the 1st 48 hours of the 540's life has had Valvoline 50w Racing. I don't think I want to run the 15w-40 Amsoil, but the 20w-50 might be do the trick. Their 60w Racing wouldn't be the best choice with it either. I don't think I've ever sen the 20w-50 Racing come up in discussions.

What are your thoughts on the Amsoil 20w-50 Racing? Or anyone for that matter.

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When someone says "racing" in a lubricant application don't get too excited. A "racing" lubricant usually has less additive content because the product isn't used for long periods of tome. The oil is usually changed after a race and when the new oil is poured in so isn't a whole new slug of additives. Not the best use for a boater, (unless you are racing). As I have stated on this thread before, a motorcycle oil contains a higher slug of additives, ( especially the anti-wear ones) than auto product. Try Spectro Golden 4 motorcycle in a 20w50 viscosity for your boat. It will stay in grade, provide extremely high levels of anti-wear and detergency, and most important, won't disappoint. Ken

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Lots of boat racers use the Amsoil 20W-50 Severe Service Racing Oil...my humble opinion is that IT ROCKS... :D

15W-40 Marine Amsoil is fine in a 7.4 stock engine by the way.

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"Racing" can mean a low detergent oil for less chance of detonation that is used for "one race". That is very true of some conventional oils and Redline.

Amsoil Severe Service Racing has all the good additives and detergents....and it can be used for a normal service period.

Most motorcycle oils are able to offer more phosphorous (ZDD"P") as motorcycles do not have cataylic converters that can be plugged up by this great anti-wear pressure additive.
Some automotive oils have reduced levels of ZDDP because of this. FYI M-1 EP Synthetics have good doses of ZDDP.

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Hydrocruiser,

What are the pros and cons of M1 V-Twin versus M1 EP in a marine engine?

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It is not a matter of pros and cons but rather a matter of matching one of these fine oils to your specific application.


The M-1 EP 15W-50 has a great base and great ZDDP levels and excellent detergency as well. It is well suited to most offshore applications and many here use it and have great results to share. I have found it going for about $5.45/qt.

If you race or like spending a lot of time at WOT; have hopped up mills or want the MOST protection available.. then move up to a Premium Synthetic like M-1 20W-50 V-Twin as it has even a tougher base and more anti-wear additives with a beefed up detergency chemistry to match. I have bought it for as little as $7.00/qt.

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Some motorcycle manufactures,(BMW in particular has been selling their brand of engine oil for approx. 20 years. The last 8-10 years BMW has been installing cats on their motorcycles. The ZDDP levels that BMW uses in their lubricant is one of the highest in the industry. To my knowledge they have not had any problems with bad cats due to higher level of ZDDP. Ken

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Hydrocruiser,

Do you loose any rpms going from the Mercury 25W40 to the M-1 V-Twin 20W50 with fully warmed engine?

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No, you see no RPM dif at all. We used it in 1050 Sterlings and in 1075 Mercury SCi's.

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I was asked what might be a better choice than 10W-30 M-1 in C-6 Corvette engine?

Well I do think that 10W-30 Mobil-1 is a good choice especially if you change frequently anyways....

If you want:

-Boosted levels of anti-wear additives
-Faster flow to critical engine parts
-Helps protect supercharged, turbocharged, and high revving engines.

Try this along with a M-1 oil filter:

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Also, no difference is seen in 525's from my experience when warmed up.

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Even Porsche' put out a bulletin that high ZDDP oil will not harm the cats on their Turbo's. It's another myth and not a fact it would appear.

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The 0w30 works great. We've been using it in our C-5's since it came aronnd. The Z-06 loves it. So did my hopped up WS-6. I used 15w50 in my viper though.

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..so the Lambo calls for A Gip to stay in warranty...while I know they have been manufacturing synthetic oils for quite a while I personally feel that the Mobil synthetic product that is a 5W-50 would be my first choice if not the 0W-30 racing.

P.S. Craig...if you have any left over cars or boats I could use one of each...my Lambo collection needs a new addition soon.. :D

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I was given the impression that the ZDDP doesn't hurt cats until the engine gets tired and starts burning the oil. THEN it screws them up and so our EPA wants the ZDDP out of street car oil so that we don't risk putting something bad into the air that the "tree huggers" have to breathe. I mean, golly-gee, lets get our priorities STRAIGHT here, guys. And don't forget to send in your Sierra Club dues. --- Jer

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Ever talk to new BMW bike owner? Oil consumption of 1 qt/1000 miles is considered to be "normal". Have heard the same about some Buells. I would consider this to be excessive. Hell, in 3K miles you have added enough make up oil to do an oil change. So, is there a correlation between oil consumption and cat life, or does the EPA and or Detroit have a agenda? Ken

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Hydrocrusier Lamborghini CANNOT say " to stay in warranty, you must use Agip motor oil" . As a matter of fact no manufacture, (snowmobile, boat engine, motorcycle, car,etc) can make a warranty contingent on you (the purchaser) using a manufacture reccommened product unless the manufacture gives you the product (in your case Agip motor oil) free of charge for the length of the warranty. This law is called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Improvement Act Title 15 Commerce and Trade, Chapter 50 Sec. 15

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I've heard, is this true?

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Lambo is an Italian Based Company...who knows... but but in reality if they specify a branded oil or anything branded for that matter to meet compliance... then they must provide it for "free"...that's the MM law. They can mandate something.. no doubt..but then it must be all inclusive with no charge for the product. Like Benz for example gives free oil changes with M-1 during warranty.

Why A Gip who knows?? Ferrari used to be going with Sint but that supposedly has changed. It's all about having "your product" associated with a certain type vehicle and the press and attention it gets is my theory. If M-1 goes into the $600K Porsche Carrera GT and it does...then why Sint or A Gip...equal?.. maybe...better?.. prolly not.

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ZDDP has such a small effect on todays cats it is not imaginable that anyone even noticed....tree huggers..

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All I know is that I am a Mobil man. I have heard of that act and I have heard what the Lambo pricks used to say. Maybe it has changed. From boats, to trucks, to american cars I am a Mobil man.. I wonder why???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Too bad there is a supply shortage. I am in hiding.... :blaster:

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Ferrari is currently pushing Shell Advance. The reason is not all that complicated.......................20 million to support the F1 race team. With about 2200 employees and approx. 700 working on the F1 program, racing is very important to Ferrari. Years ago Agip was the "factory oil" for Ferrari, they were also the factory oil for Ducati, but even Dutaci need more dollars to go racing, Agip wouldn't pony up the amount, now Ducati is also using Shell Advance. It all comes down to sponsorship dollars. Ken

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Well said

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...being in there with Ferrari F-1 racing takes a product and "gives it a new story"...now "it's the official oil of Ferrari factory racing"...before it was just Shell oil... :D

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OK...Another question as to what oil you "can" use in a Corvette C-6 or for that matter any recent model Corvette.

Well 10W-30 Synthetic is what Chevy says to use I do believe and they put M-1 in at the factory.

Can you use 0W-30 M-1 racing?? Yes..no brainer and it has lots of zddp...should be fine and not plug up the cat I am guessing.

Can you move up a grade to 10W-40 Synthetic? Yes

Can you move up to 15W-50 M-1? Yes as it pumps like a lighter wt. conventional oil..more zddp.

How about 20W-50 V-Twin? Yes as it flows and pumps like a lighter wt. conventional oil....tons of zddp...I would bet you still would be fine as far as the cat goes but I am guessing here...

What is "best? You make the call based on the above info.

Many use 15W-50 EP M-1 in Vipers so why not Vettes??..that's what I would personally use I do believe with an M-1 oil filter and probably change the oil every 5,000 miles.

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Scientific findings of the anti-wear properties of ZDDP in an internal combustion engine....

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../307/5715/1612


ZDDP is the only proven substance that will significantly reduce engine wear it would appear.

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I was asked what most significantly contributes to oil temperature?

Good question!!

The upper part of the engine and cylinder walls are cooled by the water flowing through the jackets....the oil cools the lower part of the engine and the main bearings most significantly contribute to oil temperature. So you can imagine just how hot the bearing surfaces get. A good oil cooler helps keep oil temps lower so the oil chemistry does not get destroyed.

If your oil is running way too hot you can bet that your main bearings are taking a real good beating! Then your oil gets destroyed and the temps get even hotter as the film strength of the oil is lost and can not lubricate properly. Then you are on the way to premature wear and possibly a major engine failure.

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In case it was missed, the new GM Vortec HP3 8100 525hp crate engine based on GM's hi po Gen VII marine big block specifies M-1 15w50. Just one step away from M-1 20w50.

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You got that right! :p

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I have gotten several e-mails "demanding" I provide a suggestion of the best and cheapest oil and filter that would fair well in an offshore engine.

Simple...

Shell Rotella 15W-40 @ HomeDepot for $6.99/gallon (It may be as cheap at Walmart?)

Oil Filter: A/C for $3.99ea @ Walmart or Murray's

...would I use it?....yes...

Now please give me the keys back to my synthetic oil cabinet. :D

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Starting the engine, combustion contributes the most to oil temp...., oil additives are temp sensitive, if the oil does not get hot enough some additive packages won't work. Oil should get over 180 F to "bun off" any condensate which may have accumulated in the oil, remember oil testing at the high end is 210F or 100C. The actual high temp an oil can run at is well over 300F. Would I change the oil after a run which produced temps above 300F? Yes, at temps over 300F oil starts to oxidize at a faster rate so the useful life of the oil is shortened. I have heard of oil temps so hot that epoxy in the ignition windings of the stator (that is oil cooled )melted, shorting out the ignition. The oil had "burned off" all its light ends but was still lubricating the engine. There was no engine damage.
Why would a person who has 10's of thousands of dollars tied up in a toy, try to "save " money by purchasing the cheapest lubricant possible. Buy the better oil and buy one less beer at the bar. Ken