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What do you consider the best conventional oils?

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My favorite conventional oils are the HDEO's, either Shell Rotella T, Chevron Delo 400 or Mobil Delvac. Kendall's GT1 oils are also very strong, and have a loyal following.

Here's a shot of M1's VOA's, thanks to Butler...along with pages that contain Delo and Rotella. Look at the additive packages (Phos/Zinc/Calcium). The HDEO's are very strong. Delvac is the only one that uses a lot of magnesium. I've used Delvac a lot, and like it.

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Shell Rotella T HD looks great...as does Chevron Delo 400 and Mobil-1 Delvac. Lots of anti-wear and detergent additives and I am sure a good basestock.

Valvoline VR-1 40,50 or 60 wts are supposed to be good.

I agree that most Kendall products are strong.

Castrol HD 40wt is supposed to be good too.

I hear Quaker State 20W-50 Peak Performance has a good chemistry

Exxon 20W-50 is used a lot..I don't have much info on it but it sells for $1.59/qt.

I called about 20 dealers across the country a few months back. Most have a 55 gallon drum of a 30wt or maybe a
40 wt. and then another drum with a 15W-40 diesel motor oil.
Many use garden variety average filters.

Anything else is in bottles and you pay a hefty upcharge for. About 1/2 the offshore guys use synthetics and the other half a 30 or 40 wt.

One dealer uses only RP unless the customer requests something else. RP has a nice additive balance and good ZDDP from the new tests we now have.

It's interesting in that some oil changes are costing customers at marinas around $75-150/engine. Total cost of materials might be $10.00. I am in the wrong business. :D

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Not to be a stickler. Mobil 1 is the PVL product. There is no shuch think as Mobil-1 Delvac. Mobil Delvac 1 is the CVL synthetic equivalent. Delvac 1300 Super 15w40 is the conventional. Exxon XD-3 Elite 15w40 is the synthetic blend. XD-3 Extra is a conventional like Delvac 1300 and XD-3 is like Chevron RPM 400 or Citgard. Then they have their straight weights. Then they have their locomotive diesel engine oils. Anything else I need to clear up? Oh yeah and the mag levels I am waiting for a call back from my CVL rep. Since some of you are wanting to learn some things. Here are some of the standards

Delvac 1 5w40: Meet latest US....

API CI-4Plus/SL, Cat ECF-1, Cummins CES20078/20077/20076, Det. Diesel Power Guard Oil Specification, Mack EO-N Premium Plus '03

Global OEM:
ACEA E5/E4, JASO DH-1, MB228.5, Volvo VDS-3/VDS-2

Delvac 1300 Meets all the same except for the MB228.5 it's MB228.3


If you want the rest of them. Go to www.exxonmobil.com or our site www.genpet.com to get to exxonmobil.

Regards,

Vandy

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Hydro, Read up!

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And here is the MSDS

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Exxon 20W-50 Superflow is available at a Big Lot Stores :D as informed by a member via e-mail.

He gets it in one gallon containers for $2.99 from Big Lots.

Most places sell it for $1.59/qt or less.

From what I can see it has a lot of ZDDP and holds it's Cst's at 100 *C very well.

You have to rate it as a real good conventional 20w-50.

I read the spec sheet Craig...it's comparable to Kendall 20W-50 I do believe.

I have to give this the best and cheapest 20W-50 conventional oil award. :D

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18.1 if you need to be precise. It's pour point isn't that bad either for a heavy motor oil. You are better off with the Mobil 1'sthat pour -49 degrees or more. The 0w's pump at -65 degrees F. Not like it really matters at that temp.

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Hey Craig for just one week I was asked to pretend synthetic oils don't exist and to focus on only conventionals....



What is Mobil-1? :D

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ok.... just make sure you doing call Delvac 1.... Mobil-1 Delvac. If you want my .50 on conventional. The new Mobil line up is a joke and will probably be changed come November.

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Delvac 1


...kinda like Airforce 1? :drink:

So Craig as I present data on conventioinal oils this week why don't you try to continue to "set me staright"?

Right now all I can see is the Exxon 20W-50 for $0.59/qt at Big Lots. :cool:

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If you are talking Industrial conventional I can talk all day. We are a large industrial distributor. 90% Industrial and Commercial (HDMO), 10% PVL


.59/qt, get it while you can. ExxonMobil raises prices eft. August 1st.

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I do want some feedback from the gurus here....

.....as you know Redline is a totally ester based product...bob's guys have only warm to cool feelings about this oil. In other words it looks great on paper...good results...but not a whole lot of use is seen.

I like the total ester base but it does have a lot of
silicon (finely ground up sand) and also a significant amount of aluminum in it.

The ZDDP levels are high (1200's) but could be higher.

Now the loyal Redline users like the oil...most are weekend warriors at the drag strip...same customer base as RP. They compete against each other to a good degree.

Are you comfortable with the level of relatively "harsh" additives??

Interested to get some feedback as their additiives are "harsher" than any diesel oil.

Diesel oils are tough stuff...never went there much before. :p

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Yea..the biggest thing about the oil..as with most heavier conventionals is cold pumpability and hard engine wearing dry strarts. This would be "bear-grease" in cooler temps as would straight weight 40 or 50's.

...so that M-1 stuff protects like "bear-grease" but pumps at cold temps...really Craig? :D

It's a sinthetic ?

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Exxon Superflow is a great choice! At any price, it's a solid performer.

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Especially for the blower guys who chnage every 10 hours due to gas contamination or those with 11 qt pans doing 20 hr drains...it is a solid choice.

A Big Lots in our area has had this product in gallon containers for around $3-5.. for a couple years now. :D

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I hope they don't get rid of it in the next shuffle...

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Big Lots won't let them. :D

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They do what they want. I will make sure and tell the President of ExxonMobil Lubricants and Specialties next week when I see him to make sure and keep it for the people of OSO! It may not work. We are merely a gnat on the ass of a 300billion dollar a year company.

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Hey Craig somebody has to keep Skip down at Cigarette in business. :D

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Anyone here a "regular" Redline and not "racing" Redline oil user???

I need more info on that juice. :D

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OK, without digging through conflicting info in 100 pages of threads how bad is the new Goldcap 15-50? I have managed to scrape up some older redcap. Should I mix say 4 quarts of Redcap with 3 of Goldcap when changing oil? I had been using all Goldcap and 1 bottle of th ZDDP additive. Supercharged 502.

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The recent most test of Mobil-1 Goldcap 15W-50 shows it's now the same or probably better than Redcap. ZDDP levels are quite high.

I am using it straight out of the bottle. No reason to add anything to it.

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Is there a date code or other way of telling which is the "old" "bad" stuff and what is now the "OK" Mobil 1? Maybe its safer to just go back to my Pennzoil Ive used for years.

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The wonderful marketers of ExxonMobil have done a hell of a job confusing the market place. The new Gold Cap is fine. The bad stuff or the one that did not me the GF-4 recommendation is out of the system. Even then, it was not bad to use. It just did not meet a fuel economy spec. It would not damage an engine or destroy it completely. Actually, it would not do anything to you engine at all in a negative manner. Go figure. ExxonMobil is the greatest.

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There are yard marks and batch numbers.. You would have to have an ExxonMobil distributor read them and call ExxonMobil to check it out. If you are every in Fort Wayne, please let me know. We will do what we can to take care of you.. Sorry once again about all the red cap dissapearing while I was gone!

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OK, WTF, first it's better than slice bread, then it is crap and now it is good or better. Why was your second opinion in this saying its bad? What am I to believe now? What amount of the research is valid or invalid. I just spent the morning hunting down another 24 quarts from various parts stores and now I should buy the gold instead? Not being and ass but some of us rely on your opinions.

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Cool your jets. Poeple on this web site termed it "bad stuff" that's where I was making my reference. I never said it was bad. People were acting like it was going to blow up your engine b/c it didn't meet GF-4. There is nothing wrong with the product. Wither it meets that product spec or not, it's still the best out there in my opinion and the test I have seen. Any one of the Mobil 1 grades is great ****. People who have too much time on their hands and read into **** don't know what they are talking about. I am not saying anyone on this site, so don't go there. Mobil 1 when it originally came out warrantied, yes warrantied the oil for 25Kmiles. We used to run the oil to 30K on our cars with one change. We even took a motor down after 150k. Looked brand spanking new. People took it and mislead that it was band or not as good as the red cap. It's fine, it works it is better than 99.9 percent of what's out there.

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It wouldn't do anything at all. Just nit-picky people. :mad:

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This is what happens when one person on one site states his "opinion" backed by who knows what and this "opinion" is then restated elsewhere on other sites as gospel. I think there should be a big disclaimer on the top banner of all sites that says, THIS IS ALL SOMEONES OPINION, TAKE IT AS SUCH. Im putting the Mobil 1 back in the engines, I need the reduction in oil temp until I can change my pan and coolers this winter.

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Baddog: Go visite Key Oil. They should cut you a good deal on Mobil. Tell them the ExxonMobil distributor General Petorleum sent you. They should cut you a deal so you don't have to go hunt the **** down :D

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Cool, better stated with logic. Now, if I had my choice would I run Red or Gold in a SuperCharged 502?

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Gold. That's all that's around. They are both great products. Only gold is around now. You will be fine with it.

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Here's another oil that likes a lot of magnesium: Mercruiser's 25w40. Tons of ZDDP/phos too. Low calcium. Interesting oil, nothing else quite like it on the market.

Magnesium 1063
Calcium 422
Phos 1362
Zinc 1546
Moly 0
Boron 196
VIS @ 100C Cst 15.14

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The good news is that Goldcap 15W-50 is now better than Redcap was. It has more ZDDP for anti-wear...and ...a bit more boron to keep your engines free of carbon and it does retain moly as Redcap did. All for 45 cents/qt more than Redcap in gallon containers at Walmart.

Everything I read is that any batches in question were out there in January...a Wallmart moves it's M-1 stock REAL fast.

Drain...change the filter...enjoy....it's a better product. All the recent most 6 month data tests bear this out.

Any synthetic oil will protect better than any conventional oil. Take a load off your bearings... :D

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Message from Merc to home...if you use a conventional oil be sure it has a lot of ZDDP in it and it is a straight weight capable of retaining a high CST at 100*C. Many multi-vis conventionals won't do this. Merc wants cSts of at least 15.14@100*C. This now benchmarks all CONVENTIONAL and synthetic oils too.
Well ZDDP is for anti-wear...the rest are detergents....more of a concern that you need more detergency in a diesel engine or engines susceptable to carboning and coking.


Goldcap 15W-50
P-1223
Zn-1376
Vis @ 100C Cst 17.9 Holds viscosity extremely well and better than Merc's straight weight blend.


M-1 20W-50 V-Twin
P-1683
Zn-1823
Vis@ Cst 100*C 19.9 ...pitbull #'s

M-1.. V-twin rules...just want ya all to know that. :D

Remember...bob's guys and anyone in the know will tell you any similar synthetic oil is always better than a conventional oil. It's all about film strength...conventional oils NEED a ton of ZDDP in order to "survive"....synthetics while not needing as much "put it to better use"....


Now your job is to find me all the conventional oils with high ZDDP that come in with a csT@100*C of at least 15.14...it will be interesting to see if ANY multi-vis conventionals can and if so what ones.

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EXACTLY-when my motor made 944hp 2 months ago on Crocketts dyno he set the air fuel ratios at 11.2-11.4. Tyler calls it "fire -hosing the fuel to it". I change my oil around 15-20 hours and it is ALWAYS thinned out with excess gasoline. I also get a TON of condensation in the oil from cold lake water going thru motor,it only runs around 100 degrees.I run kendall gt 20/50 mainly because i can't see dumping premium synthetic oil after 2 -3 wks of run time,especially 17-18qts from my single engine. My 540 rods and mains looked like new at 138hrs when i tore it down to freshen it this spring. Even in the warm water of lk winni last week i had 75-80 psi of oil pressure above 2000 rpm's with my motors clearence around .003 on rods and mains,Smitty

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We had the same problem with the Sterlings. There was water, and gas in the oil. We used the Mobil 1, but that's only b/c we sell it. If we didn't have an abundace around we would of used something else. :D

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Yup second best is a high ZDDP 40 or 50 wt..BUT Sterling told me they use 15W-50 M-1...if I COULD buy a Sterling I WOULD buy M-1.

FYI..Mercury Marine makes a really great conventional blended straight weight....if you want it conventional this is a good product friends.

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I keep getting bombarded for my "top ten list"

Now that we have Mercury 25W-40 analysis data we know a lot more about what they have found through much testing what is needed. My picks are the same:

If you want maximum protection a premium synthetic such as:

-Mobil-1 20W-50 V-twin
-Amsoil Series 2000 20W-50
-Redline 20W-50

-Mobil-1 Goldcap 15W-50 is fine for most all applications.

Then either Mercury 25W-40 straight weight blend.. or a straight weight 40 such as Kendall or Castrol.