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Yup. Although I did find some interesting "collet" style locking nuts that would have worked really well, but they would have required the engine to be lifted to get them on, anyhow.
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Guys,
Forklift to the rescue. The plan worked. Tab washers are in place. I had to pull the boat out of my shop and come at it from both sides, as the forklift didn't have the reach to lift the whole engine.
This ended up being a bit of serendipity, anyhow. Turns out, in the course of rerouting the raw water hoses for the new aux cooler setup, one hose had found its way directly below the ProCharger and was pinched against the stringer. I haven't got it completed, but I got a hose from the port side drain valve over the stringer and out of harm's way, so now all I have to do is reconnect to the tee feeding the intercooler, which then goes to the heat exchanger.
We should be all forward movement from here forward. Now the builder gets to come to MY shop for a change....
Thanks. Brad.
Forklift to the rescue. The plan worked. Tab washers are in place. I had to pull the boat out of my shop and come at it from both sides, as the forklift didn't have the reach to lift the whole engine.
This ended up being a bit of serendipity, anyhow. Turns out, in the course of rerouting the raw water hoses for the new aux cooler setup, one hose had found its way directly below the ProCharger and was pinched against the stringer. I haven't got it completed, but I got a hose from the port side drain valve over the stringer and out of harm's way, so now all I have to do is reconnect to the tee feeding the intercooler, which then goes to the heat exchanger.
We should be all forward movement from here forward. Now the builder gets to come to MY shop for a change....

Thanks. Brad.
Last edited by Brad Christy; 04-15-2025 at 06:29 PM.
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Couple questions... Are they absolutely necessary? It's hard for me to imagine them turning once the motor mount nuts are tightened down, but I also figure there's a reason they are in place to begin with. The builder told me he doesn't use them on his boat and has never had an issue. I know that doesn't make them irrelevant. What's the thoughts on tilting the engine forward and/or sideways enough to get the mounts over the studs enough to sneak them in? There is a fair bit of stud sticking up above the motor mounts, and they seem to be fairly snug clearance over the studs, that might be a challenge; avoiding damaging the mounting pads. It's also been suggested to forego them, mark the nuts and keep an eye on them to see if they are turning. I know I REALLY don't relish the idea of pulling it back out of the boat, but....
Second one was 2 years ago. Same thing but only with the steering! and yes this time the bolt came out and was laying in the bilge. I got super lucky that I was idling at the time. Bolt came out of the rack ram(not sure the official name) that attached to the transom assembly. Drives and steering wheel went to full lock. I had no idea WTF happened, but knew the drives were at full lock and couldn't turn the wheel with a rocky shore coming close. Was in the no wake zone/ narrow channel part of the river. I about chit my pants. Quickly turned the engines off. Buddy saw me and quickly turned around to throw me a line and pulled me to the marina. Found out what happened and the bolt missing. Was in the bilge somewhere with the anti-rotation washer was still in place on the ram.. Once again it was installed, but the tabs were not bent to the bolt. I actually didn't even catch that part. Local performance shop cough it when I sent him photos in case I couldn't fish the bolt out from under the engines. He saw it right away.
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Guys,
So next little puzzle…..
Engine is in. Plumbing is buttoned up. Harness is for the most part finalized (a couple grounds need ran to the block and I’m waiting for a FP sender for the ECM). Builder came to my shop last night to align the engine. No deal. We put nearly four hours into it. We were up and down, both sides. All over the place. Even when a visual inspection looked perfect, the alignment tool would kick one way or another at first contact and just never went in much past that point.
I've got a short length of tool steel round bar that measures a couple thousandths larger than the coupler section of the alignment tool, and it fits into the coupler just about perfectly. We were using it for a visual alignment (very rough, I know), but, every time we’d get it what we thought was close, the alignment tool would still just stop when it came in contact with the coupler.
Builder seems to think the gimbal bearing got moved when we pulled the outdrive prior to pulling the engine. I’m going to make up a ring that slip fits over that tool steel shaft with the same OD as the bearing section of the alignment tool to try and get a handle on where we are from the coupler’s perspective, so to speak, rather than that of the bearing.
We've inspected the tool for nicks and dings that might be causing a hang up. All good there.
Any suggestions….?
Thanks. Brad.
So next little puzzle…..
Engine is in. Plumbing is buttoned up. Harness is for the most part finalized (a couple grounds need ran to the block and I’m waiting for a FP sender for the ECM). Builder came to my shop last night to align the engine. No deal. We put nearly four hours into it. We were up and down, both sides. All over the place. Even when a visual inspection looked perfect, the alignment tool would kick one way or another at first contact and just never went in much past that point.
I've got a short length of tool steel round bar that measures a couple thousandths larger than the coupler section of the alignment tool, and it fits into the coupler just about perfectly. We were using it for a visual alignment (very rough, I know), but, every time we’d get it what we thought was close, the alignment tool would still just stop when it came in contact with the coupler.
Builder seems to think the gimbal bearing got moved when we pulled the outdrive prior to pulling the engine. I’m going to make up a ring that slip fits over that tool steel shaft with the same OD as the bearing section of the alignment tool to try and get a handle on where we are from the coupler’s perspective, so to speak, rather than that of the bearing.
We've inspected the tool for nicks and dings that might be causing a hang up. All good there.
Any suggestions….?
Thanks. Brad.
Last edited by Brad Christy; 04-22-2025 at 03:09 AM.
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Install the alignment tool as best as possible, once in take a dead blow hammer and hit the alignment tool up, down, and side to side this will center the bearing, and then you should be good to go,
the other thing you could do is leave the rear bolts tight on the transom plate and the front mounts off, with your engine lifting device at the front of the engine center, and you could work the engine up and down until the alignment tool slips in
the other thing you could do is leave the rear bolts tight on the transom plate and the front mounts off, with your engine lifting device at the front of the engine center, and you could work the engine up and down until the alignment tool slips in
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Install the alignment tool as best as possible, once in take a dead blow hammer and hit the alignment tool up, down, and side to side this will center the bearing, and then you should be good to go,
the other thing you could do is leave the rear bolts tight on the transom plate and the front mounts off, with your engine lifting device at the front of the engine center, and you could work the engine up and down until the alignment tool slips in
the other thing you could do is leave the rear bolts tight on the transom plate and the front mounts off, with your engine lifting device at the front of the engine center, and you could work the engine up and down until the alignment tool slips in
Are you using the coupler as a fulcrum when doing that?
We tried knocking the bearing around with the alignment tool, similar to what you suggest, but with no engagement with the coupler. Still couldn’t seem to find “straight”. How do you know the bearing is straight if the engine is out of alignment too?
It feels like we’re trying to solve a two factor puzzle, but don’t know which factor needs resolved first.
Thanks. Brad.
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It can definitely be tricky sometimes. I usually instead of trying to visually line up the gimbal bearing and coupler, I visually make the bearing look flat on the race first. Also with the alignment tool just in the bearing, i will make sure the bar is perpendicular with the transom and level with the boat. Did you guys put the double would washers under the rear engine mounts along with the felt washer?
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It can definitely be tricky sometimes. I usually instead of trying to visually line up the gimbal bearing and couple, I visually make the bearing look flat on the race first. Also with the alignment tool just in the bearing, i will make sure the bar is perpendicular with the transom and level with the boat. Did you guys put the double would washers under the rear engine mounts along with the felt washer?
I didn’t install the transom ass’y bits, so I don’t know for certain. I’m taking him for his word they are all in there correctly. I will say, though, that we’ve been both low and high, as far as misalignment, so I d say it’s all good on that front.
How do you ensure the bearing is seated square?
Thanks. Brad.



